mkhuffman
Well-Known Member
I recommend you don't buy first year production of any car model, especially the R2. Give them a year or two to get the production ramp issues smoothed out. Otherwise I don't think you will be very happy. This is manufacturing 101. There are always more issues in the first year than the second. Always.I own a 2025 R1S (2nd Gen), Dual Max. Its been in the shop repeatedly for many things, some big and some small. The next medium thing that breaks i will be doing a buyback/Lemon. I have owned a leaf, Bolt, 3, Y and S before this car. Having said that:
1. I have looked all over for what will replace the R1S - there is really nothing that competes. The closest is the Kia/Hyundai 3-rows SUVs, but those are lower "quality" and as far as i can tell suffer from their own issues (i have a friend on their second battery on a Kia and doing a buyback on that).
2. Despite far too many of their vehicles having issues (LAST on a recent CR survey of issues), the concept and overall design of the Rivian (R1S and R2) are excellent, and super utilitarian, and theres no vehicle that really competes. Comparing the Y to this R2, i dont see why most buyers (assuming similar cost) wouldn't buy the R2, especially once Lidar releases and their self driving does the major stuff - freeway cruising mostly. As a utility vehicle (which is what the Y and R2 are) the R2 appears to win hands down on most variables. Even if you're just driving to work and doing stuff on weekends with the family, the R2 wins (as far as we can see) on ground clearance, wheelbase, rear leg room (based on that Doug video), cargo space behind 2nd row, frunk space, etc. The Y may win on 0-60, price by a few thousand, range by 10-15 miles, and of course self driving (which is overrated on the Y for the price and on which Rivian is rapidly catching up).
3. The big questions are going to be quality (currently low), time to wait for service (already long in most places - tho improving), charge time (which is horrific in the R1, especially in heat due to bad battery pack thermal management).
I am hopeful that some of the new components (coils vs airbags, new motors, maybe better battery pack design) will improve quality, and that some of the existing components and software are finally mature enough to just work. If that happens then i think Tesla is going to get their asses kicked. Same or better vehicle for basically the same price, way higher "cool" factor, and no fascist overtones!![]()
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