F-150 Lightning EV canceled. To be replaced with EREV Lightning (700+ miles range)

[Captblue]

The fact that Ford is vary vague on when will be available. I wouldn’t put my hopes up.
Kyle from out of specs said last Friday podcast, he is coming out with a video soon and he thinks the results wont be what people expect on towing.

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[emoore]

I don't think EREVs will have a long lifespan. They are a bandaid to get people to move to the future. Unfortunately I think 95% of the reason EVs don't sell well in the US is mostly due to our corporate culture and a lot of politics. No reason for companies to change if they are making money. And the amount of money that the oil and gas companies have used to influence politics and science is criminal. I think the world will move on to better transportation and power generation but I feel like there will be a lot of issues our future generations will have to deal with.

 

[Time2Roll]

That’s an easy fix if a company wanted to. I’d bet the Harvester towing is reduced mainly because the weight of the EREV engine, generator and fuel eats 500lbs out of the available payload for the Scout chassis.

Yes and when the battery is depleted Harvester is just running with a 4 cylinder engine, no turbo.
What do other 4 cylinder vehicles tow?

 

[Thedude]

Yes and when the battery is depleted Harvester is just running with a 4 cylinder engine, no turbo.
What do other 4 cylinder vehicles tow?

If designed properly the generator will be capable of outputting a continuous current higher than the draw of the motors. The engine size means nothing in relation to tow capacity in this case since it isn’t part of the actual drivetrain.

 

[Captblue]

If they can make a generator light enough, need to at least produce 60kW Just to keep up In perfect conditions. More if is winter, rain, ect…. We will see eventually

 

[COdogman]

Can’t wait until we have the future discussion about why the EREV pickups aren’t selling either.…

 

[mkhuffman]

Yes and when the battery is depleted Harvester is just running with a 4 cylinder engine, no turbo.
What do other 4 cylinder vehicles tow?

I think when towing, the battery and fuel tank will get to empty at around the same time. So it is always a combination of battery power and ICE charging that keeps the motors moving. It wouldn't be hard for the truck to monitor efficiency and kick the ICE on early when there is a much higher load than nornal, especially when it knows a heavy trailer is connected.

 

[Time2Roll]

I think when towing, the battery and fuel tank will get to empty at around the same time. So it is always a combination of battery power and ICE charging that keeps the motors moving. It wouldn't be hard for the truck to monitor efficiency and kick the ICE on early when there is a much higher load than nornal, especially when it knows a heavy trailer is connected.

Yes then driver needs to fill up with fuel and then charge. I believe most want to just fill up and go.

 

[mkhuffman]

I don't think EREVs will have a long lifespan. They are a bandaid to get people to move to the future. Unfortunately I think 95% of the reason EVs don't sell well in the US is mostly due to our corporate culture and a lot of politics. No reason for companies to change if they are making money. And the amount of money that the oil and gas companies have used to influence politics and science is criminal. I think the world will move on to better transportation and power generation but I feel like there will be a lot of issues our future generations will have to deal with.

Nah. 95% of the reason my neighbors buy what they buy is because it is what they want.

I guess you are saying they are buying things they don't want because, you know, "big oil". LOL. Nobody cares about big oil. Well, regular people don't anyway.

They just want to get from point A to point B as easily and as stress free as possible. And like it or not, traveling with a BEV is definitely more stressful than traveling with a ICEV. And people know it.

Sales are slowing because all the early adopters have adopted, and normal people are not willing to put up with the stress we are willing to put up with.

That, sir, is why. It isn't "big oil", whatever that is.

 

[mkhuffman]

Yes then driver needs to fill up with fuel and then charge. I believe most want to just fill up and go.

Yes, this is an issue. I wonder if the ICE can run while refueling, essentially charging the battery in parallel with filling the gas tank?

 

[BrianB]

This says more about the compromises Ford made to rush the F-150 Lightning to market than it does about the viability of electric pickups.

 

[Thedude]

Yes, this is an issue. I wonder if the ICE can run while refueling, essentially charging the battery in parallel with filling the gas tank?

I don’t see why not. We can keep the engine running while refueling a normal ICE vehicle so that shouldn’t change. Not sure it’s worth it though as it would only add a few extra minutes of charging while gassing up.

 

[emoore]

Nah. 95% of the reason my neighbors buy what they buy is because it is what they want.

I guess you are saying they are buying things they don't want because, you know, "big oil". LOL. Nobody cares about big oil. Well, regular people don't anyway.

They just want to get from point A to point B as easily and as stress free as possible. And like it or not, traveling with a BEV is definitely more stressful than traveling with a ICEV. And people know it.

Sales are slowing because all the early adopters have adopted, and normal people are not willing to put up with the stress we are willing to put up with.

That, sir, is why. It isn't "big oil", whatever that is.

Ok sure. Believe what you want. Just ignore all the billions of dollars that oil companies have spent to suppress science.

 

[mkhuffman]

This says more about the compromises Ford made to rush the F-150 Lightning to market than it does about the viability of electric pickups.

They did rush it to the market. Same as the Mach-e. But both are great vehicles, IMO. They just are not profitable. So they know how to build a good BEV, but need to work on building one that makes money. Certainly it is hard to do, but as battery prices drop, it becomes much easier.

 

[BrianB]

They did rush it to the market. Same as the Mach-e. But both are great vehicles, IMO. They just are not profitable. So they know how to build a good BEV, but need to work on building one that makes money. Certainly it is hard to do, but as battery prices drop, it becomes much easier.

A Lightning is fine, but Ford skipped what Tesla and Rivian have done - built software defined vehicles and changed the buying experience/dealer model. Lower battery costs won’t make an electric Ford competitive without modernizing the rest of the vehicle and experience.

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