Favorite paid app for Rivians?

[David_C_]

What is your favorite 3rd party subscription service for your R1? I know Rivian Roamer has one, there's ElectraFi, there's the Outpost iOS app.... Then of course there's also ones not specific to Rivian, like ABRP.

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[cwintermeyer]

My favorite is actually neither paid nor an app... it's the Home Assistant integration for Rivian. I have several dashboards in Home Assistant that I use to keep an eye on 116 different sensor metrics. It's like data geek heaven.

 

[portdirect]

What is your favorite 3rd party subscription service for your R1? I know Rivian Roamer has one, there's ElectraFi, there's the Outpost iOS app.... Then of course there's also ones not specific to Rivian, like ABRP.

Ironically ABRP may not be specific to Rivian, but is owned by rivian. I use it along with home assistant and they are a great combination. ABRP has data that’s not available via the api used by the app or other integrations.

 

[Jeff B.]

My favorite is actually neither paid nor an app... it's the Home Assistant integration for Rivian. I have several dashboards in Home Assistant that I use to keep an eye on 116 different sensor metrics. It's like data geek heaven.

This is my favorite as well. Love all the data points I can monitor.

 

[LivingInKaos]

My favorite is actually neither paid nor an app... it's the Home Assistant integration for Rivian. I have several dashboards in Home Assistant that I use to keep an eye on 116 different sensor metrics. It's like data geek heaven.

This is my favorite as well. Love all the data points I can monitor.

THIS EXACTLY - don't trust someone else with your data when you can keep it for yourself. Even if they aren't distributing it (now, that can always change), it's exposed for someone to scrape.

 

[Rivian Roamer]

THIS EXACTLY - don't trust someone else with your data when you can keep it for yourself. Even if they aren't distributing it (now, that can always change), it's exposed for someone to scrape.

I’m in your camp. You should have custody of your data. I'd be careful about conflating security and privacy. I'm not suggesting you are, but many do.

A quick scan I was able to find over 100 HA installations with the Rivian integration that had limited or no auth, no SSL, etc. If you can use HA and are competent when it comes to keeping your installation secure, it's a fantastic option. I even contribute back upstream to the core client. But, it's a foot gun and easy to expose your data to the public internet.

As far as Rivian Roamer piracy and security goes. The RR database is not accessible via the internet and requires 2FA VPN for me to even access. the web servers. Every network connection uses VPC with allow-listed ports for specific groups. There is no feasible way for me to even connect directly to it myself. Even if I could, each user's data is encrypted using a user-specific key that I don't have easy access to. You can ask anyone who's sent me support that I ask them send me specific links so I can introspect on their sessions. And at any point you deactivate your account all data is hard deleted including logs, where allowed (compliance etc etc).

I am looking into a docker solution that folks can self-host their own Rivian Roamer data. This itself, has security implications and has high complexity. If demand is high enough I may consider increasing the priority.

I built Rivian Roamer like I would want someone else to build a SaaS product, which is why I built it. I have little trust for other solutions out there.

EDIT: I should also make it very clear. At no point have I or will I share RR customer data with external parties. I would sooner shut down RR before that happens.

 

[CharonPDX]

I haven’t seen one that is worth paying for. So none.

 

[Rivian Roamer]

I haven’t seen one that is worth paying for. So none.

What would make it worth it to you?

 

[beatle]

ElectraFi is the only service I pay for. It's less useful than TeslaFi since you can't use it to control your truck, and Rivian exposes fewer metrics than Tesla does (like volts/amps) but I still find it useful and interesting for tracking things like mileage and vampire drain.

ABRP is great, and I use it before every trip, but the free version is all I really need.

THIS EXACTLY - don't trust someone else with your data when you can keep it for yourself. Even if they aren't distributing it (now, that can always change), it's exposed for someone to scrape.

Not sure what you mean here. Individual metrics are not exposed to scrapers. I get that people still don't necessarily want to share their data with anyone else, and that's fine, but just because data is collected by a 3rd party does not mean it becomes public domain. Here's ElectraFi's privacy policy.

 

[BCondrey]

I use TezLab, works well for me.

 

[Rivian Roamer]

ElectraFi is the only service I pay for. It's less useful than TeslaFi since you can't use it to control your truck, and Rivian exposes fewer metrics than Tesla does (like volts/amps) but I still find it useful and interesting for tracking things like mileage and vampire drain.

ABRP is great, and I use it before every trip, but the free version is all I really need.



Not sure what you mean here. Individual metrics are not exposed to scrapers. I get that people still don't necessarily want to share their data with anyone else, and that's fine, but just because data is collected by a 3rd party does not mean it becomes public domain. Here's ElectraFi's privacy policy.

I think he means you’re trusting a third party to store your data.

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