First R2 trim will be Dual Motor AWD Launch Edition. Production & delivery on track for first half 2026

[Ilovejunebugs]

Except no BEV gets 300-400 miles of highway range between refueling stops, especially in the winter.

The big advantage of driving a BEV is home and destination charging. You can't do that in a ICEV. Longer range means you are more likely to be able to skip that DCFC, and just charge when you get home, or when you get to your destination.

Faster DCF charging is good, no DCF charging is better. IMO!

Our Cadillac escalade IQ easily goes 400 miles at highway speeds (75mph +). Of course it has a battery that is enormous...
I agree with an advantage of BEV being home and destination charging and that faster DCFC charging is better!

I'd much rather have 20-80% SoC in 15 minutes or less than 350 miles. Shorter charging sessions > longer range IMO.

This is how I feel too! Our escalade IQ will pull in 55kwh in 13 minutes 32 seconds, which I think (if R2 has a 100kwh battery) would be around 60% (20-80%). That was at a RAN charger and it charged at 303.25kw. It'll charge even faster if a unit can output more. Fastest I've seen thus far was 369kw; took 38 minutes to add 154.37kwh. I'd love if the R2 can charge at speeds like this.

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[savethemanual]

This is how I feel too! Our escalade IQ will pull in 55kwh in 13 minutes 32 seconds, which I think (if R2 has a 100kwh battery) would be around 60% (20-80%). That was at a RAN charger and it charged at 303.25kw. It'll charge even faster if a unit can output more. Fastest I've seen thus far was 369kw; took 38 minutes to add 154.37kwh. I'd love if the R2 can charge at speeds like this.

Not going to happen with 400v architecture. I'm hoping it will max at 250 kW....we'll find out soon enough.

 

[kurtlikevonnegut]

Not going to happen with 400v architecture. I'm hoping it will max at 250 kW....we'll find out soon enough.

I think 250kw is plenty for a 100kwh battery as long as it can sustain it for more than a few minutes. Hopefully the new pack/cell design provides better thermal management to run at or near peak for much longer than the R1 does.

 

[Zorg]

I think 250kw is plenty for a 100kwh battery as long as it can sustain it for more than a few minutes. Hopefully the new pack/cell design provides better thermal management to run at or near peak for much longer than the R1 does.

Agreed, peak matters less than the curve

 

[savethemanual]

Agreed, peak matters less than the curve

For sure!

I thought there was typically a correlation with higher peak capacities and being able to hold a line in the curve once it drops down in kW.

 

[Zorg]

For sure!

I thought there was typically a correlation with higher peak capacities and being able to hold a line in the curve once is drops down in kW.

My understanding (which may well be wrong) is that batteries can be optimized for power/charge or for energy. But thermals seem to have the biggest impact on the curve. So hopefully R2 has better thermals than the R1 for a more robust curve.

 

[mkhuffman]

Our Cadillac escalade IQ easily goes 400 miles at highway speeds (75mph +). Of course it has a battery that is enormous...
I agree with an advantage of BEV being home and destination charging and that faster DCFC charging is better!


This is how I feel too! Our escalade IQ will pull in 55kwh in 13 minutes 32 seconds, which I think (if R2 has a 100kwh battery) would be around 60% (20-80%). That was at a RAN charger and it charged at 303.25kw. It'll charge even faster if a unit can output more. Fastest I've seen thus far was 369kw; took 38 minutes to add 154.37kwh. I'd love if the R2 can charge at speeds like this.

Of all the competitors, the Cadillac Escalade IQ has a chance of disproving my statement. But are you saying 70% of the range is 400 miles? I don't think that is true. 465 miles x 0.7 = 325.5.

Actually what that SUV achieves is what the masses need to make the jump to BEV. Unfortunately most of the masses can't afford $150k for a vehicle.

On a side note, I need to put the Escalade IQ on my short list for replacing my wife's Grand Cherokee.

 

[DuoRivian]

My understanding (which may well be wrong) is that batteries can be optimized for power/charge or for energy. But thermals seem to have the biggest impact on the curve. So hopefully R2 has better thermals than the R1 for a more robust curve.

I would hope they have learnt from the R1 and have better battery pack design to help thermals.

As for pricing I expect the dual motor to be $5000 as Porsche and Toyota charge much less for around 100hp motors. R2 will be more powerful but $5000 seems at the top end of reasonable. As for batteries Toyota is charging $3000 for an 18kW increase to give an idea of what’s reasonable.

Don’t forget a near $2k delivery fee and extra for most paints.

 

[SSteveEV]

Am I the only one that wants to hear some strong promises on low vampire drain for the R2?

 

[usulio]

Am I the only one that wants to hear some strong promises on low vampire drain for the R2?

Sure but given how Rivian approaches things, no chance

 

[Fmc]

Am I the only one that wants to hear some strong promises on low vampire drain for the R2?

I would like to get rid of my model 3 but the efficiency and lack of vampire drain keeps it in my garage. Meanwhile my R1s looses a few kWh everyday.

 

[SSteveEV]

I would like to get rid of my model 3 but the efficiency and lack of vampire drain keeps it in my garage. Meanwhile my R1s looses a few kWh everyday.

I hope they get it sorted out, it's still the thorn in my side with my truck and the idea of adding a second to split between other vehicles is tough to swallow if I can't let it sit for long without watching it drop electrons all over.

 

[mkhuffman]

I hope they get it sorted out, it's still the thorn in my side with my truck and the idea of adding a second to split between other vehicles is tough to swallow if I can't let it sit for long without watching it drop electrons all over.

Rivian claimed the Gen2 would have best in class vampire drain. It doesn't, but my R1 loses very little over the course of a week sitting at the airport. It lost about 5% over 7 days last time. Not horrible, and I can definitely live with it. My Mach-e lost 0% over the same time period. Which is best in class for sure.

 

[SSteveEV]

Rivian claimed the Gen2 would have best in class vampire drain. It doesn't, but my R1 loses very little over the course of a week sitting at the airport. It lost about 5% over 7 days last time. Not horrible, and I can definitely live with it. My Mach-e lost 0% over the same time period. Which is best in class for sure.

I'd argue 5% over 7 days is still pretty horrible vs others like your E. Depending on the weather it was sitting it of course, they get a pass for winter.

 

[Viking80]

Rivian claimed the Gen2 would have best in class vampire drain. It doesn't, but my R1 loses very little over the course of a week sitting at the airport. It lost about 5% over 7 days last time. Not horrible, and I can definitely live with it. My Mach-e lost 0% over the same time period. Which is best in class for sure.

My 2014 LEAF lost 2% (500 Wh) sitting in the cold for five days this week. Rivian has a long ways to go to be “best in class.””

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