Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

[SwampNut]

Always funny to me when people say this like it's supposed to be a good thing. It's not. It's bad. Yet when people like Steve here try to push for EVERYONE's right to more privacy and security, who gets criticized? Somehow, him, not the company collecting all your location data and leaking it all over the place (according to the post above).

It's a worthless placebo, and does not increase security, it makes it worse. The alleged privacy reductions of sharing the data increase your personal security. And I argue that it's not reducing privacy to have a server store data that is meaninglessly tied to you. I think it's all based on useless paranoia which is itself based on a complete misunderstanding of tech and data.

So yeah, I'm going to laugh at this every time, and criticize it.

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[SSteveEV]

Which brand though?

Whatever they have at Costco. 14 pack of Reynold's I think

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Whatever they have at Costco. 14 pack of Reynold's I think

But then Costco would know what you've been up to and sell that info to god know who! /s

 

[ndmiller]

Based on my experience, US surveillance is way behind any other country I've been to. The chip implanted at birth luckily runs on Windows, so not very accurate between Flu/Covid shots that upgrade the OS automatically.

 

[Steve A.]

I think if there is a criticism here, it’s simply that Rivian has a data and privacy policy that we can all read before purchasing or leasing. So there is a RTFM aspect to this. If you didn’t like their policy then don’t get a Rivian. Or at least don’t act surprised after the fact.

Like I said, consumers shouldn't have to choose keeping their location data private or buying an EV.

And without rehashing the whole previous thread where this was discussed, Rivian's privacy policy has been revised on more than one occasion since we pre-ordered, but that was not the topic of this thread.

I am also curious as he tries to disconnect his Rivian if it works as they describe and if not, why? And why isn’t it easier?

So far ZERO issues since I use an @EVSportline Android Auto Device which gives me FAR greater apps than Rivian's infotainment apps including Waze which is a MUST HAVE for those with long commutes in lots of traffic.

And, YES you can use Waze anonymously via a deGoogled Android phone.

So, if I can verify that disabling these settings per the SC's direction truly disables remote access by Rivian, then problem solved and kudos to them.

 

[Steve A.]

I missed the question? What are we asking?

FYI all our upfits are 'in cahoots' with Rivian, we have not needed to disable things - But ask me what you need specifically and I can certainly take a look and see what is possible.

Just looking for a confirmation that disabling remote data in the privacy settings actually works and Rivian cannot get to your location data.

 

[Steve A.]

It's a worthless placebo, and does not increase security, it makes it worse. The alleged privacy reductions of sharing the data increase your personal security. And I argue that it's not reducing privacy to have a server store data that is meaninglessly tied to you. I think it's all based on useless paranoia which is itself based on a complete misunderstanding of tech and data.

So yeah, I'm going to laugh at this every time, and criticize it.

Yeah personal security is so useless. What's your address again? I assume you leave your doors and windows unlocked since you don't believe in personal security. While you're at it, feel free to post all your accounts with passwords which are also just a placebo. SMH

That hot take aside, then there's the inevitable hack and data breach by Rivian or their affiliates which is a matter of WHEN not IF in the future.

And then theres the monetization of YOUR data.

 

[Steve A.]

Based on my experience, US surveillance is way behind any other country I've been to. The chip implanted at birth luckily runs on Windows, so not very accurate between Flu/Covid shots that upgrade the OS automatically.

US privacy laws are WAY behind the EU. See all the Apple, Google, et all millions in fines for details.

 

[SwampNut]

Yeah personal security is so useless.

You completely reversed what I said and started spewing crap based on it. But ok...

What's your address again?

It's in several of my posts, do a little work. I'll meet you in the garage with a beer.

I assume you leave your doors and windows unlocked

Mostly yes, we all do that around here.

since you don't believe in personal security.

I said the opposite of that.

 

[CANCERDOC]

Like I said, consumers shouldn't have to choose keeping their location data private or buying an EV.

And without rehashing the whole previous thread where this was discussed, Rivian's privacy policy has been revised on more than one occasion since we pre-ordered, but that was not the topic of this thread.



So far ZERO issues since I use an @EVSportline Android Auto Device which gives me FAR greater apps than Rivian's infotainment apps including Waze which is a MUST HAVE for those with long commutes in lots of traffic.

And, YES you can use Waze anonymously via a deGoogled Android phone.

So, if I can verify that disabling these settings per the SC's direction truly disables remote access by Rivian, then problem solved and kudos to them.

One of the reasons why Waze is excellent is that other drivers share information on traffic congestion, speed traps and traffic accidents. How ironic you feel this is the best nav (it is actually) without understanding what makes it great.

 

[Steve A.]

One of the reasons why Waze is excellent is that other drivers share information on traffic congestion, speed traps and traffic accidents. How ironic you feel this is the best nav (it is actually) without understanding what makes it great.

Well yes it is the best due in large part to its crowd sourced traffic and alerts but apparently you don't understand the concept of providing data anonymously which I clearly pointed out in my last reply.

Also, apparently you don't understand the concepts of YOU controlling the information that YOU choose to share vs not being able to opt out.

 

[Steve A.]

You completely reversed what I said and started spewing crap based on it. But ok...

It's in several of my posts, do a little work. I'll meet you in the garage with a beer.

Mostly yes, we all do that around here.

I said the opposite of that.

Apparently, you didn't get the sarcasm and point of my reply which was protecting your private location data is not a placebo anymore than protecting any of your other PII.

 

[SwampNut]

100% worthless in regard to any real threats or security, just some kind of emotional support placebo.

 

[HaveBlue]

US privacy laws are WAY behind the EU. See all the Apple, Google, et all millions in fines for details.

You should visit authoritarian countries. Obvious ones are communist and Muslim ones. The amount of privacy degradation is on another level. We don't know how good we have it.

 

[SwampNut]

You should visit authoritarian countries. Obvious ones are communist and Muslim ones. The amount of privacy degradation is on another level. We don't know how good we have it.

Or even just countries where they simply don't have this concept of so-called "privacy" at all, even though they aren't overbearing about the control itself. A great example is Estonia, where centralized identity and tracking has been a core principle for decades, yet, it's not used to control the people. It's used as a benefit to them for the most part.

As a rabid libertarian I'm fully aware of how that could end up badly, or why some would object to their government doing this. But I'm making the statement that it is CURRENTLY working as no-privacy but not oppressive on a pragmatic level.

There may be other examples, but I had a job offer there so I looked into it. I liked my American freedom too much. And I'm a political refugee from a totalitarian/communist country.

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