Farewell - sold my R1T QM and moved to Tesla MY26 - some thoughts and comparison

[CarGuyCarl]

Understandable, although I would argue that you shouldn't be using cruise at all in a snowstorm.

Generally I agree, but sometimes you just want to maintain 45 mph or whatever and it's perfectly safe to do so and with a vehicle that regens, and you're on a road trip doing it for a couple hours.... Well. Let's just say my story has a source haha

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[RivAW]

Hello guys,

I wanted to thank everyone on this forum for their support and help with questions I had during the last 2 years.
I sold my R1T QM 23' and bought Tesla MY26. If you are interested, a few thoughts and a comparison:

*what I realised a long time ago, that YouTube reviews are useless (at least for me)...

1. I will start with the obvious - R1T is a much better, versatile car. It is a truck, it can move things, it has high clearance, cargo, etc.

2. Despite what YouTubers say - MY26 stereo system is not so great, and in reality worse (I would say by a significant margin) than R1T I had (mine was not Meridian)

3. Infotainment cluster - I think Rivian's approach is better - having 2 screens is preferable IMHO.

4. Infotainment responsivity - MY UI is much faster. No lags at all.

5. Steering - MY is a way better at holding the straight line. I can take my hands off the steering wheel, and the car will continue to drive straight for a significant time. With Rivian, I needed to hold the steering wheel all the time.

6. HVAC - MY is better, less noisy, and more predictable. Also, vibration on the highest compressor setting is way less than in Rivian. I do miss the HVAC vent settings (A/B) that Rivian has - it is a great idea that worked very well for me.

7. Seat comfort - Rivian seat position and the actual seats are better, more comfortable IMHO

8. Wind/Road noise - MY is not just better, it is on a different scale better. It is a very quiet car. Truck form factor is noisy by definition.

9. ADAS - as I had Gen1, ADAS was a total joke. Rivian lied to all of us, Gen 1 owners. Tesla FSD is just another world of comfort. I use it 95% of the time, and the car just drive itself where I need. It is a savior for me when it is dark and I am tired. In short, HUGE win for Tesla, and the main reason I switched.

10. Parking sensors - Rivian has actual ultrasonic sensors, and it is much easier to park with them compared to Tesla's vision system.

11. Service Center - As I have Rivian and Tesla SC in Austin, TX, 30 min from where I live, I can compare them well. Tesla SC is by FAR better. First, I can schedule same-day appointments. Second, the actual SC is huge, nice waiting area with a conference room for you to use. Free snacks, capsule coffee, etc. I had 3 service appointments, all of which were fixed the same day.
I had a good experience with Rivian SC in general, but ... the waiting time (3 months), the actual fixing take weeks. So no comparison here - Tesla wins by a HUGE margin (at least in Austin).

Overall, I can say that I do miss Rivian. But I am also very happy with MY, mostly because of FSD. It is a game changer, and while many people say that they want to drive themselves, for me, it is something I would not give up.

I hope Rivian will consider to lease FSD from Tesla, as they will not be able to develop it inhouse IMHO. And I hope Rivian will solve the SC issue that is not tolerable.

Good luck to everyone, and who knows, maybe I will buy Rivian again in the future!

The only thing I'll disagree with (as a Gen 1 R1T owner for 2.5 years so far), is that Rivian did not lie to you (or anyone about ADAS). Until fairly recently, Rivian explicitly stated that the Gen1 vehicles would have adaptive cruise and lane keep assist, and that they were not pursuing more advanced ADAS at the time (at least for Gen1). If you expected more then you weren't paying attention or were hopeful enough that you disregarded the available information.

 

[shap]

The only thing I'll disagree with (as a Gen 1 R1T owner for 2.5 years so far), is that Rivian did not lie to you (or anyone about ADAS). Until fairly recently, Rivian explicitly stated that the Gen1 vehicles would have adaptive cruise and lane keep assist, and that they were not pursuing more advanced ADAS at the time (at least for Gen1). If you expected more then you weren't paying attention or were hopeful enough that you disregarded the available information.

Here is what Rivian said (or lied about) (time machine is awesome):

This was active till June/23, if I remember correctly:
(https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...-3-eyes-off-the-road-autonomy-on-gen-1.41117/)

 

[godfodder0901]

The only thing I'll disagree with (as a Gen 1 R1T owner for 2.5 years so far), is that Rivian did not lie to you (or anyone about ADAS). Until fairly recently, Rivian explicitly stated that the Gen1 vehicles would have adaptive cruise and lane keep assist, and that they were not pursuing more advanced ADAS at the time (at least for Gen1). If you expected more then you weren't paying attention or were hopeful enough that you disregarded the available information.

Sorry mate, but you are dead wrong there. There have been several threads disproving your statements.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

Sorry mate, but you are dead wrong there. There have been several threads disproving your statements.

Yeah mate...

 

[RivianRush]

Yeah it's totally annoying all the people who really like their Rivians on a Rivian forum.

Big difference between really liking/enjoying your Rivian and being obsessed with it.

 

[hgpayne]

The biggest complaints you see from FSD users are in model S/X which have a vertical screen. for some reason those cars perform really badly

2017 X HW3 MCU2 here, and you won't here me complaining. Saturday FSD drove us 100 miles down to Phoenix to watch a game and 100 miles back. While leaving the ballpark traffic was a mess and police were directing at intersections. As I approached an intersection with a stop sign the officer motioned for me to continue. FSD didn't stop at the sign but instead proceeded as the officer directed. I did not know it would do that. Heading north they've closed the northbound freeway and diverted traffic onto the flex lanes. FSD handled it without intervention, still passing slow trucks and moving right for faster traffic to pass.

Back in 2017 when we first got our X and Enhanced Autopilot it was pretty sketchy. It has vastly improved over the years. We jumped on a FSD sale for $2K before FSD wasn't any better than EAP but I'm glad we did as it is so much better now. If Rivian licensed FSD from Tesla I couldn't sign up fast enough.

Yes, we could have taken the R1T to the game and used Driver+ on some of the freeway. It doesn't work in the plentiful construction zones and it certainly doesn't work in the flex lanes. We have the R1T more for towing our camper and adventuring while camping. We exploit the best features of each.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Big difference between really liking/enjoying your Rivian and being obsessed with it.

No one here is obsessed with their Rivian. When you come on a Rivian forum you're going to discuss your Rivian, that's basic common sense.

 

[mkhuffman]

No one here is obsessed with their Rivian.

Well, I am a little obsessed. LOL.

 

[RivianRush]

Well, I am a little obsessed. LOL.

At least you can admit it, unlike @Donald Stanfield

 

[captainjp]

Here is what Rivian said (or lied about) (time machine is awesome):

This was active till June/23, if I remember correctly:
(https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...-3-eyes-off-the-road-autonomy-on-gen-1.41117/)

Hmm. Well, this doesn’t specify which Rivian models will have it. It’s pretty vague and a valid argument can be made from both sides. I was told that the system was basically ACC when I test drove in NYC. It was clear to me that the current models were not capable of the kind of autonomy Tesla was demonstrating at the time. I was fine with that and purchased in spite of it.

 

[mkhuffman]

Look at your forum stats and tell me you're not obsessed with your Rivian and spend all your time on the forums?

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If you are absolutely in love with your Vehicle, that's okay, but don't get upset and berate others when they share their honest opinion about the same vehicle that goes against your opinion. The forum should not be filled with only folks who love their vehicles; it should be balanced.

This is not a complaint forum. This is a fan forum. Personally I don't appreciate it when someone develops a hate for Rivian and uses this forum for complaint after complaint. I do want to hear about the problems, but the constant over and over again negativity really decreases the value of the forum, IMO.

You can report problems and discuss solutions without thinking Rivian is evil, idiotic, or moronic. Maybe Rivian is just an organization of imperfect people doing the best they can with the resources they have? Do they have to be beat up for every mistake or every little thing that is not just perfect? I don't think so.

Like I said, I appreciate when people report problems. For example, my T rattles when the air conditioning is on low This has been reported as an issue on the forum here, which gives me confidence it is something that can be resolved. It has been for others. If it cannot be resolved, I will live with it. No big deal.

I am not angry at Rivian for the issue. It is so minor to me, and what is the point of doing that anyway? To make me feel better, or make Rivian employees feel worse? That is not how I work.

I am a huge fan of my truck, but I acknowledge it isn't perfect. Nothing I have ever owned has been perfect. My truck is awesome in so many ways - the little things just don't matter that much to me. Reading complaint after complaint about the little things, isn't enjoyable. Vent once, and then let it go. Let it go! (Makes me want to sing... )

Taking this back to Tesla - I see value in the OP's comparison. But not the constant arguing about FSD and the resulting criticism of Rivian. Either they discovered they could not match FSD with Gen1, or they never intended to. Either way, I don't think it is because they never tried. Or they lied.

People try to do things they think they can do all the time and fail. That is human nature. Buy a Gen2 if you want FSD in a Rivian. If it ever comes. I won't be upset or blame Rivian if it doesn't. Why? Because I didn't pay for it. I paid for what I drove home. Rivian doesn't owe me anything beyond warranty repairs. Not even OTA updates. IMO.

 

[shap]

Hmm. Well, this doesn’t specify which Rivian models will have it. It’s pretty vague and a valid argument can be made from both sides. I was told that the system was basically ACC when I test drove in NYC. It was clear to me that the current models were not capable of the kind of autonomy Tesla was demonstrating at the time. I was fine with that and purchased in spite of it.

Come on, this banner was on their site when the only vehicle on sale was R1T. What car could they potentially refer to !? Your choice is your choice, but they lied about L3, this is the fact.

Anyway, GEN1 and GEN2 - they only use the built-in MobileEye solution. GEN1 uses the cheapest version, GEN2 has a more advanced version.

 

[captainjp]

Come on, this banner was on their site when the only vehicle on sale was R1T. What car could they potentially refer to !? Your choice is your choice, but they lied about L3, this is the fact.

Anyway, GEN1 and GEN2 - they only use the built-in MobileEye solution. GEN1 uses the cheapest version, GEN2 has a more advanced version.

You’re entitled to your opinion. Let’s not forget, purchasers at that time got a 20% price break as opposed to now. In addition, most of the standard equipment is now add-on. I’d say that’s even.

 

[shap]

You’re entitled to your opinion. Let’s not forget, purchasers at that time got a 20% price break as opposed to now. In addition, most of the standard equipment is now add-on. I’d say that’s even.

How 20% discount is related to Rivian liying about L3 ADAS?
It is not my opinion, I sent you the link to their site as it was shown at the beginning of 2023. It is a fact

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