Tesla FSD drives down railroad tracks, gets hit by train

[COdogman]

False, of course, in fact the opposite is true often since you can focus your attention and are less worn out.



So far, way more right?

2 more claims you can't prove

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[bigsky]

How convenient for you that Tesla refuses to provide "all the information" that could settle the question once and for all, right? I bet you are very upset about it....

If the data they collect from all those miles actually supported the argument that FSD/ Autopilot is safer than a human driver, why would they not share and advertise that every chance they could? Instead, they fight every request to see the data.

I am so grateful to my alma matter for teaching me to think logically. Please forgive me for having difficulty understanding your logical fallacy stating that because Tesla has not released FSD data to one's liking, FSD is therefore dangerous, unsafe, etc.

Again, I know FSD firsthand; have used it for 5 years. FSD is by and large fundamentally and inherently safer than a human driver because of how it is designed--like a hopelessly ultra careful driver. I have my own data, plenty of it. I know the FSD shortcomings, have witnessed it do some arguably really stupid things. That percentage safety margin that it may be lacking, however big or small it may be, is why FSD tells you to pay attention for god's sake. And paying the necessary attention is still far, far less stressful than myself doing the driving. FSD is one amazing engineering feat.

 

[JM.]

Again, I know FSD firsthand; have used it for 5 years.

I've always found it hilarious how many people who would never buy a Tesla would proceed to tell me that my years of experience with them was wrong. Everything from the clueless ADAS haters to simply repeating EV fallacies.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

So... which former Tesla owner is going to start a feature request thread for this mode? /s

(as I rush to make and sell bumper stickers: "my car identifies as a train")

 

[COdogman]

I am so grateful to my alma matter for teaching me to think logically. Please forgive me for having difficulty understanding your logical fallacy stating that because Tesla has not released FSD data to one's liking, FSD is therefore dangerous, unsafe, etc.

Again, I know FSD firsthand; have used it for 5 years. FSD is by and large fundamentally and inherently safer than a human driver because of how it is designed--like a hopelessly ultra careful driver. I have my own data, plenty of it. I know the FSD shortcomings, have witnessed it do some arguably really stupid things. That percentage safety margin that is lacking, however big or small it may be, is why FSD tells you to pay attention for god's sake. And paying the necessary attention is still far, far less stressful than myself doing the driving. FSD is one amazing engineering feat.

Did your alma mater teach you to "logically" spell it "alma matter" as well? Or is that another point of data you have decided for yourself is now correct because you say it is?

You absolutely avoided the point in your rambling response. Let me be more clear: Tesla has NEVER released the raw data collected from all the miles FSD/ Autopilot have run, thus NONE of the claims they, or you, make about it's safety have been verified.

To say that you "have your own" data is laughable and sad....

 

[Dark-Fx]

To say that you "have your own" data is laughable and sad....

5 years of anecdotes. A far cry from a lifetime of data, still. I hear FSD encounters a "once in a lifetime" critical disengagement every 10 minutes. Maybe the next drive they'll finally understand.

 

[bigsky]

Even if and when Tesla FSD is level 6

The problem is that Tesla advertises "Full Self Driving" (FSD). It is not FSD and requires constant supervision. People believe that they have FSD and stop paying attention.
ADAS does reduce accidents but FSD doesn't exist (except perhaps in Waymo cars which have much better sensors).

1. First of all, Tesla now calls is SUPERVISED FSD. For quite some time, actually. Facts matter.
2. Those who decide to not pay attention, follow the rules, well, FSD cannot fix stupid.

 

[bigsky]

5 years of anecdotes. A far cry from a lifetime of data, still. I hear FSD encounters a "once in a lifetime" critical disengagement every 10 minutes. Maybe the next drive they'll finally understand.

I am still alive and kicking. That's rather serious and not laughable.
What I mean by my own experience is that I know what I am talking about instead of being a dumbass online reader who pretends to know FSD from what he or she reads online. Now, that's stupid, laughable, and dumb.

 

[COdogman]

5 years of anecdotes. A far cry from a lifetime of data, still. I hear FSD encounters a "once in a lifetime" critical disengagement every 10 minutes. Maybe the next drive they'll finally understand.

"I've never been to South Carolina so therefore it doesn't exist....."

 

[Dark-Fx]

Even if and when Tesla FSD is level 6

Level 6 is not a thing, and never has been.

 

[bigsky]

5 years of anecdotes. A far cry from a lifetime of data, still. I hear FSD encounters a "once in a lifetime" critical disengagement every 10 minutes. Maybe the next drive they'll finally understand.

And lo and behold, the next drive keeps happening, and happening, and happening again.
I do not need an FSD expert, or even Tesla to tell me what I already know about FSD, and I sure as hell could not ever give a damn about somebody opining about FSD because of what he reads. Or smells, or hears.
The fundamental rule applies always: do not opine on things you know nothing about.

 

[Dark-Fx]

And lo and behold, the next drive keeps happening, and happening, and happening again.
I do not need an FSD expert, or even Tesla to tell me what I already know about FSD, and I sure as hell could not ever give a damn about somebody opining about FSD because of what he reads. Or smells, or hears.
The fundamental rule applies always: do not opine on things you know nothing about.

Well, I guess you Telsa bros will just have to enjoy your appreciating assets without me.

 

[waitingforrivian]

FSD on HW3 didn't improve (hardware limit) and even get worse in last 12 months.
Not counting on Tesla replacing our HW3 (due to big cost of HW and labor) despite Elon's long-time claim that "any model 3 with FSD is capable of unsupervised self driving"

This weekend my Model 3 twice decided to go to the left turn lane when we're supposed to turn right in less than 0.1 miles (using Tesla navigation and FSD)

 

[AaronTV]

Revisionist history. https://electrek.co/2024/03/28/tesla-supervised-full-self-driving-language/

And why call v13 the same thing as v12 if there's been an obvious improvement in the system, as so claimed?

What I wrote is accurate and has been for a while now. Why would I critique it based on what it was a year ago, 2 years whatever. I don't understand the point you're trying to make with that "revisionist" comment.

As for v13, I've never used it. My understanding is that it adds things like auto parking at destination, ability to exit parking spots or garages, etc, and has the hardware that they claim will allow unsupervised full self driving. As I said, I'm skeptical about that.

But my car with 12.6.4 is very good at what it does and every person I've ever demonstrated it for has come away impressed. It's cool tech. And I'm a fan of cool tech =)

 

[COdogman]

The fundamental rule applies always: do not opine on things you know nothing about.

So why are you here "opining" about statistics if you think only your miles count towards a conclusion?

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