No Longer Wish to Use Tesla Supercharger Network

[TexasBob]

At the risk of turning the conversation in a constructive direction (which I obviously very much wish to avoid), your post underscores once again how better integration of charging information would be extremely helpful.

I go to SuperChargers or RAN stations only because the rest are too unreliable, unpredictable, and in my experience pricing is often nearing extortionate. If the route planning included screening by number of stalls over 150kw, if it was able to show any real-time availability, if it could show pricing, and most importantly, if it were smart enough to be able to route me to stations that are have backup options nearby, then I would use other networks more. But when I am on a road trip I have somewhere to be and a time to be there. I need certainty and low drama. Spinning the random CCS wheel of misfortune does not work for me. This can be solved with better information on both the station side and the vehicle side.

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[runwithscissors]

Cool, vote with your wallet but for everyone who posts that they switched to Rivian from Tesla etc... to virtue signal isn't going to change a thing for Tesla. Sure, more competition will cut down on their sales but the more competition, the better.

Without Tesla charging, I would stick to my ICE vehicles on any road trip because EA and the other useless charging companies are a complete disaster. Every single weekend in the Tri-State area is packed full of EVs waiting in line for EA chargers and I thank God that I can charge from home.

 

[bhendron]

Did a quick search of the forum and did not see a similar thread. Keep in mind I am literally off my meds right now, so apologies in advance if this is all too crazy for you guys.

I have never been a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" person. If Tesla prices are down, seems like a great time to purchase a Tesla. Honestly my emotions and intuition have overcome me recently. I am almost certainly losing my federal job in the next few months.

Back to the point (kind of); The Tesla Supercharger network (even Tesla Level 2 destination chargers) is obviously the gold standard hence the wide J3400 (NACS) adoption. It is more available, more elegant in design, easier to use (plug and charge), and generally less expensive than other DC Fast Charging options even when not paying the Tesla charging membership. I can not bring myself to use the Tesla Supercharger network anymore even if it is better for me.

Shortly after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill I thought and felt similarly about BP. I would and do utilize BP only if it is the only option available. I am adopting a similar philosophy with the Tesla Supercharger network and Tesla in general.

Look I get it. My decisions DO NOT MATTER in the grand scheme of things. My choices only serve my ego and sense of morality, possibly baser instincts.

What do you all thinks (other than my opinion does not matter)?

Nah, I don’t knowingly do business with nazi’s.

 

[md2023]

Did a quick search of the forum and did not see a similar thread. Keep in mind I am literally off my meds right now, so apologies in advance if this is all too crazy for you guys.

I have never been a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" person. If Tesla prices are down, seems like a great time to purchase a Tesla. Honestly my emotions and intuition have overcome me recently. I am almost certainly losing my federal job in the next few months.

Back to the point (kind of); The Tesla Supercharger network (even Tesla Level 2 destination chargers) is obviously the gold standard hence the wide J3400 (NACS) adoption. It is more available, more elegant in design, easier to use (plug and charge), and generally less expensive than other DC Fast Charging options even when not paying the Tesla charging membership. I can not bring myself to use the Tesla Supercharger network anymore even if it is better for me.

Shortly after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill I thought and felt similarly about BP. I would and do utilize BP only if it is the only option available. I am adopting a similar philosophy with the Tesla Supercharger network and Tesla in general.

Look I get it. My decisions DO NOT MATTER in the grand scheme of things. My choices only serve my ego and sense of morality, possibly baser instincts.

What do you all thinks (other than my opinion does not matter)?

If you are asking, I think your stance is perfectly reasonable. I try to avoid Tesla chargers now and chose not to purchase a model 3 (in a vacuum, a 'smarter' decision by conventional measures) our family needed a new vehicle. On the flip side, I am not going to tear off my Tesla solar panels I bought before I was aware/observed Mr Musks' current thoughts as expressed by him (or his surrogates). I'll use a supercharger if I don't have a reasonable (by my standard) alternative. I am not 'virtue signaling', simply making a choice based on my beliefs, happiness, etc. And I will adjust/change my actions based on future information I have access to. Such decisions are rarely 'pure' enough for many who like to reject such decisions/arguments and present false equivalencies as the only real options.

 

[lefkonj]

I would never buy a Tesla before but Musk's behavior has made it even more of a likelihood that I won't buy his vehicles in the future. With regards to the SuperCharger I don't seek them out and if I have a choice would go elsewhere but if my only choice is a Tesla charger that is what I would use.

Musk is a terrible person doing terrible things.

 

[DayTripping]

Sorry about your job loss.

I wouldn't have bought a Rivian if I couldn't use the Tesla network. Full stop!

If I stopped using companies, that someplace, somewhere, people thought their CEOs were nut jobs, I'd have no place left to shop, eat, seek entertainment, etc.

Taking politics out of the equation, while I think Elon can be a bit of wildcard,
I do support a thorough review of how we spend our tax money from top to bottom. Nobody complained much when Zuck wanted to move fast and break things.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Overreaction? Yes rates to the nearest one has gone up twice by a couple cents over the past year, but so has EA. The difference between networks is still reliability and availability. 16 working chargers vs 6 that aren’t always working and have way too many people using them (because “free” to them). I’ve said this before and nothing’s changed: the only way EA and others know to be better is if they see their numbers decline. And, being largest network with most marketshare, you boycotting Tesla for whatever reason isn’t even going to amount to a flea bite on Tesla’s balance sheets. Moot. Lastly, it’s dumb to inconvenience yourself in order to spite someone else (especially when they won’t even notice).

 

[SRO]

Did a quick search of the forum and did not see a similar thread. Keep in mind I am literally off my meds right now, so apologies in advance if this is all too crazy for you guys.

I have never been a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" person. If Tesla prices are down, seems like a great time to purchase a Tesla. Honestly my emotions and intuition have overcome me recently. I am almost certainly losing my federal job in the next few months.

Back to the point (kind of); The Tesla Supercharger network (even Tesla Level 2 destination chargers) is obviously the gold standard hence the wide J3400 (NACS) adoption. It is more available, more elegant in design, easier to use (plug and charge), and generally less expensive than other DC Fast Charging options even when not paying the Tesla charging membership. I can not bring myself to use the Tesla Supercharger network anymore even if it is better for me.

Shortly after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill I thought and felt similarly about BP. I would and do utilize BP only if it is the only option available. I am adopting a similar philosophy with the Tesla Supercharger network and Tesla in general.

Look I get it. My decisions DO NOT MATTER in the grand scheme of things. My choices only serve my ego and sense of morality, possibly baser instincts.

What do you all thinks (other than my opinion does not matter)?

They can’t legally fire you without you having a trail of must improve performance reports. I know it’s scary but you should be OK.

 

[Dark-Fx]

They can’t legally fire you without you having a trail of must improve performance reports. I know it’s scary but you should be OK.

Oh honey.

 

[hammick]

OP so sorry for the pain and stress you have been needlessly subjected to.

We just bought our R1S Tri after having overnight test drives of the MX and R1S. We take long road trips from KC to MT multiple times per year. The MX would have been a much better road tripper for us from an efficiency/charging perspective. Had the lifetime Supercharging been an option on the MX in mid-January we probably would have gone that route.

There were several reason we chose the R1S even though it was much more expensive than the MX. But the main factor was musk. Truly despise him and I feel he is more dangerous to the world than even trump.

I really wish he would sell Tesla and the SC network. We have been using the superchargers with our Lightning and it's made a huge difference in our travels. We are changing our route up to take advantage of the RAN network across I-70 and up I-25. It will be 50/50 RAN and Tesla.

I do feel hypocritical about boycotting his vehicles but not his chargers but I'll hold my nose while using his chargers before we go back to ICE.

I fear at some point lunatic musk will reneg on his contracts and turn off supercharging for non-teslas.

 

[Mathme]

In almost two years of ownership and 23k miles over numerous roadtrips, I've charged at RAN or EA stations. Even though I have the NACS adapter in my truck, I use Tesla chargers as a charger of last resort - mainly because SCs tend to be expensive compared to the other options. For Example, in Placerville, there's a SC with about a dozen stalls immediately next to the new RAN with 8 stalls. The SC is charging $.59/kWh while the ran is charging $.42. The prices are about the same differential in South Lake Tahoe between the SC (which the last time I drove by it was full with 3 waiting in line to charge) and the EA station up there. For me, it's mostly a charging issue.

Without getting into the politics of Elon, there is currently a growing backlash and a "boycott Tesla" movement. If you're curious to learn more, here's a link to a current OpEd on the subject. The bottom line of that article is basically if you don't agree with Elon, then don't buy Tesla, and even sell your current Tesla if you have one, as this can depreciate Tesla Stock and Thus Elon's overall wealth/influence.

For me, I'll continue my current plan: use the SCs as a last resort as they are the most-expensive option around where I travel.

 

[Greg Chick]

Did a quick search of the forum and did not see a similar thread. Keep in mind I am literally off my meds right now, so apologies in advance if this is all too crazy for you guys.

I have never been a "throw the baby out with the bathwater" person. If Tesla prices are down, seems like a great time to purchase a Tesla. Honestly my emotions and intuition have overcome me recently. I am almost certainly losing my federal job in the next few months.

Back to the point (kind of); The Tesla Supercharger network (even Tesla Level 2 destination chargers) is obviously the gold standard hence the wide J3400 (NACS) adoption. It is more available, more elegant in design, easier to use (plug and charge), and generally less expensive than other DC Fast Charging options even when not paying the Tesla charging membership. I can not bring myself to use the Tesla Supercharger network anymore even if it is better for me.

Shortly after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill I thought and felt similarly about BP. I would and do utilize BP only if it is the only option available. I am adopting a similar philosophy with the Tesla Supercharger network and Tesla in general.

Look I get it. My decisions DO NOT MATTER in the grand scheme of things. My choices only serve my ego and sense of morality, possibly baser instincts.

What do you all thinks (other than my opinion does not matter)?

Well said, stay off the meds. I may need some myself however.

You're nuttier than squirrel shit. I'm sorry to hear of your impending job loss, at least it seems you can see it coming and can take action now to mitigate disaster. It sounds a bit like you're in your own head a little, and that's a slippery slope. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. So, while you might be nuttier than arborist rodent poo, don't go away. We're all better in bigger numbers, regardless of matching viewpoints.

Speaking of mismatched viewpoints.....

I disagree that NACS is more elegant, easier, or better than CCS. From a logistics standpoint, it's a plug on the end of a cable. They both do the same thing, and there is very little physical difference. One's just carrying a little pre-mass-adoption holiday weight. Things like "plug and charge" without an app are just tech hurdles to be conquered on the backend software and have nothing to do with NACS vs CCS. I've seen equal numbers of broken CCS as I have NACS plugs, and I've used plug and charge with Chargepointe and EA a couple times. Works fine for me, so it's possible, and again is completely plug agnostic.

Tesla has leveraged first mover advantage in the EV market , and like Apple, was able to dictate the interface it used as it built out it's network. That first mover advantage is why there are so many of their chargers out there, and the quantity available is why other manufacturers want access. It's not because it's a better connector. Having access to the Tesla network strips that competitive advantage from Tesla, and more closely levels the playing field. Again, nothing to do with NACS being any better than CCS, it's economics not engineering at play.

In terms of politics.....well, treading lightly here. I have significant disdain for Musk and Trump. What they're doing is of grave concern, and while the ends they're after are likely good, the means they're using to get there give me serious heartburn. How that impacts my daily use of a product they have interest in is very lightly affected. I've worked closely with a couple of Musk owned companies, and when you find teams "on the inside" that actively fight to keep him away from projects, I can feel safe in realizing that the few profit dollars of mine that he might get, are less impactful than the few dollars of mine that go to support those working on what are otherwise decent products. Much to your point, I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water here. Musk, and Trump, have a huge set of personality flaws that lead to actions we should all be concerned about as citizens, but my charging habits will have little/no impact on that front. Even large scale boycotts would have little to no affect at this point, the fortune has been amassed long before now, and is now being deployed. The time to act to prevent such influence was long ago, and I don't think any of us really saw it coming.

SO.......As I look to a 1,500mi road trip I'm planning in April; well, I'm going to set the parameters on the nav to look at RAN, Tesla, and EA, and let it choose my path. Then I'll follow that guidance, and will likely have a successful trip. Maybe that's apathy I shouldn't have, but it's where I'm at.

Agreed, but I saw it comming. And the OP is not crazy, but boycotting Musk is worthless at this point as far as charging goes. I may just go self medicate.

 

[SwampNut]

Musk Derangement Syndrome is sad, especially when used in a way that punishes yourself and your family, and not the object of your hate. Tesla SCs are nearly always cheaper than everyone else except RAN, and they tend to be in the most desirable locations. Meaning more things around, cleaner, less ghetto.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

They can’t legally fire you without you having a trail of must improve performance reports. I know it’s scary but you should be OK.

They can delete the position. OP wouldn't be fired, but he still wouldn't have a job. He would be laid off.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

OP you missed a poll option so I elected the squirrel shit one. I would have picked the " Don't care one way or the other and will take the most efficient route" option. FWIW, I've had many issues with charging stations not run by Tesla and zero problems with the Tesla stations. I also prefer the plug-and-charge functionality of the Tesla stations, but I don't care enough to seek them out or avoid them.

I choose my routes based on the easiest and fastest. Factors like cost are further down the list, and factors like whether I like the company's CEO are so far down the list that they don't account for much. I wouldn't buy a Tesla, but I wouldn't buy one before Musk started throwing Nazi salutes because I think Telsas are ugly and the interiors look like something you'd get at Ikea.

Our government spends too much on just about everything, so a review of spending and shuttering bloat is good. Until our government runs at an efficiency level that is on par with what's required in the private sector taxpayers are getting screwed. With that said, I did not vote for Trump and Musk, and I wouldn't associate with either one of them on a personal basis.

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