More power & faster in All Purpose than Sport Mode - confirmed with data / dragy

[DayTripping]

While the new update is installing, I ended up ordering a new Dragy. I couldn't find the old one, and I wanted to see the difference between the modes. Sometimes the butt dyno isn't as accurate as you think, so nice to independently validate.

I should probably go into the service mode and video the power while I am at it and try to correlate the Dragy runs if I have time. As luck would have it, the new Dragy will arrive about when the crumb cruncher gets off school early for Christmas break.

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[OffRoad987]

I was told Sport Mode has 25% more torque than all purpose from a reputable source.

 

[R1Thor]

I was told Sport Mode has 25% more torque than all purpose from a reputable source.

What does that guy know, anyway? Probably doesn't even work for Rivian and just wears the T-shirt...

Joking aside, 25% more torque *when* is more important. For a tenth of a second between 0-1 mph and it's still a technically correct statement. Unless stated as "25% torque through the entirety of the power band at full acceleration," we can only assume what was meant.

This is like the tuner bros (I used to be one) chasing numbers only to find out peak torque was 2krpm beyond redline and power had dropped off 3500 RPM before it, making it just bragging rights with no practical application of power to the road. Great dyno story though...

I'm rambling. Need more coffee. Nice photo, by the way!

 

[beatle]

What does that guy know, anyway? Probably doesn't even work for Rivian and just wears the T-shirt...

Joking aside, 25% more torque *when* is more important. For a tenth of a second between 0-1 mph and it's still a technically correct statement. Unless stated as "25% torque through the entirety of the power band at full acceleration," we can only assume what was meant.

This is like the tuner bros (I used to be one) chasing numbers only to find out peak torque was 2krpm beyond redline and power had dropped off 3500 RPM before it, making it just bragging rights with no practical application of power to the road. Great dyno story though...

I'm rambling. Need more coffee. Nice photo, by the way!

Yep, area under the curve is what's actually important.

 

[ElGuano]

This is like the tuner bros (I used to be one) chasing numbers only to find out peak torque was 2krpm beyond redline and power had dropped off 3500 RPM before it,

Ugh, ptsd memories of that Jaguar just hit…

 

[Dark-Fx]

The official notes from Rivian still have the line for Gen 1, but it says:

which is clearly a mistake.

I'll go unplug a front motor and report back

 

[KBabione]

I'll go unplug a front motor and report back

With any other forum member I'd know they were joking...I'm just not sure you are!

 

[DayTripping]

What does that guy know, anyway? Probably doesn't even work for Rivian and just wears the T-shirt...

Joking aside, 25% more torque *when* is more important. For a tenth of a second between 0-1 mph and it's still a technically correct statement. Unless stated as "25% torque through the entirety of the power band at full acceleration," we can only assume what was meant.

This is like the tuner bros (I used to be one) chasing numbers only to find out peak torque was 2krpm beyond redline and power had dropped off 3500 RPM before it, making it just bragging rights with no practical application of power to the road. Great dyno story though...

I'm rambling. Need more coffee. Nice photo, by the way!

I recall seeing somewhere from Rivian that Sport mode is where you got the most torque as well. Probably like Tesla - more torque from 0-60 and then it levels off. On the first gen Model 3 and Y's. the performance models were only quicker from 0-60. If they bought acceleration boost for a long-range AWD, they knocked off about 1/2 second 0-60 as they claimed. If you tested from, let's say, 50-100, the performance model, long-range (with boost), and a stock long range were pretty much identical. So easy to make the numbers look good for 0-60 but then dialing everything back above that. It feels the same way with my G1 R1T.

The S/X Plaids were really the first Tesla that didn't lay down over 60 mph. They followed that with the S/X long range which pull good from 60+ and finally the Model 3 Highland performance which is quicker to 60 than the old performance but crushes it from 60+.

I really want to see the performance mapping of the different modes vs the various speeds. Tesla make is so much simpler. Just put in Plaid, Insane or Ludicrous mode depending on the car and it gives you all its got. With my Plaid and Performance Model 3, I love the track mode, where I can adjust the front-to-rear power bias.

 

[bmedfo1]

I recall seeing somewhere from Rivian that Sport mode is where you got the most torque as well. Probably like Tesla - more torque from 0-60 and then it levels off. On the first gen Model 3 and Y's. the performance models were only quicker from 0-60. If they bought acceleration boost for a long-range AWD, they knocked off about 1/2 second 0-60 as they claimed. If you tested from, let's say, 50-100, the performance model, long-range (with boost), and a stock long range were pretty much identical. So easy to make the numbers look good for 0-60 but then dialing everything back above that. It feels the same way with my G1 R1T.

The S/X Plaids were really the first Tesla that didn't lay down over 60 mph. They followed that with the S/X long range which pull good from 60+ and finally the Model 3 Highland performance which is quicker to 60 than the old performance but crushes it from 60+.

I really want to see the performance mapping of the different modes vs the various speeds. Tesla make is so much simpler. Just put in Plaid, Insane or Ludicrous mode depending on the car and it gives you all its got. With my Plaid and Performance Model 3, I love the track mode, where I can adjust the front-to-rear power bias.

I too have seen a video where RJ says Sport has xxx more: I think he used the word "power". I would love to see a dyno curve of each model in each mode. Some 3rd party software like the tesla "Sexy buttons" would be amazing. I am also so glad to see there are some other guys out here that care more about using power than conserving it.

 

[DayTripping]

Honestly, if it was any slower, I probably Would have executed on the cyber truck reservation.

I just did an interesting experiment, I was only charged up to about 65%, but I made a full throttle run from about 50 in sport mode. The power gauge didn’t go all the way to the top of the bar. I switched to AP mode and made a run and the power bar went almost all the way to the top even at the lower SoC. I had already lost at least 2-3%. But based on that, I feel pretty comfortable though that even at 65%, the battery pack of supply enough energy to support a full power run.

In AP, it was clearly pulling harder than sport mode. So I went back to sport mode went full throttle again, at about 70 I hit AP mode while in the middle of the acceleration run. It clearly started pulling harder when I switched over to AP mode in the middle of that run. It was like a 50 to 100 shot of nitrous on an ICE motor.

So I tried the experiment in reverse. I started out in AP mode, hit sport mode, and it definitely slowed down in the middle of the run.

WTF? This is total BS.

What is the purpose of Sport mode if it doesn't pull at max power all the way up?

 

[Kaiju]

I was told Sport Mode has 25% more torque than all purpose from a reputable source.

Curiously does this mean that a PDM only gets its extra power in Sport compared to a standard dual motor?

 

[DayTripping]

I don't know about the dual motor as the original comment was 20% more torque made by RJ to Munro. Also, in the Sport drive mode, the power is supposed to be more rear-biased, at least on the QM.

Look at the two links after the YT vid if you haven't seen them. Motorauthority breaks out the available drive modes. The Rivian Stories shows them in use. Look at the little icon showing the power distribution in the top right of the Stories one and you'll see how RWD biased it is on the track.

Of course that was then (likely 2022) and who knows how they might have massaged it now or how they setup the DM and PDM trucks. Being without torque vectoring is what made them an absolute hard pass for me. Having experienced what it could do on my Plaid made me want it on my truck.



https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1134955_deep-dive-rivian-r1t-drive-modes-explained

https://stories.rivian.com/drive-modes

 

[mudito]

Curiously does this mean that a PDM only gets its extra power in Sport compared to a standard dual motor?

That's what I've seen PDM owners report here, to the point that some owners said that for daily driving, the upgrade isn't worth it

 

[DayTripping]

That's what I've seen PDM owners report here, to the point that some owners said that for daily driving, the upgrade isn't worth it

Wow, if that were the case, I'd never buy a PDM. Driving the DM version felt like driving a base Model Y for acceleration. Might be ok if you can from most ICE cars/trucks but it left me wanting a lot more. I am not sure that Rivians are even running what the factory claims for times either. I'll have to look for Dragy runs and track times and see.

I am already ticked with my QM that it is slower in Sport mode than AP at higher speeds. It isn't a huge difference, but it is absolutely noticeable. I need to do some Dragy runs and see at what speeds Sport starts to slow relative to AP.

 

[DayTripping]

I've spent the last 20 minutes looking through Dragy runs. Out of all the 0-60 times listed, I can't find a single run that matched the claimed factory time of 3.0 seconds. Best I saw was 3.13 on a prepped track. Only 4 under 3.3 seconds and most 3.4 and up.

The fastest PDM I saw was 3.75 0-60. I didn't see any 1/4 mile runs for anything but QMs. Of the top 10 quickest Rivians, 9 were R1T's and they filled the 7 quickest spots. The R1S does have a slight weight advantage.

So where is the missing performance? Apparently there might have been a unicorn somewhere that ran the fabled 3 second flat time. I hate when manufacturers do this. My Porsches and BMW would almost always hit their times, or be so close it was believable, and quite often beat them.

All the magazine tests I could find never seemed to match the claimed specs. I won't call it lying, but it sure looks pretty close to a significant misstatement. I will note that I can't find if Rivian includes or omits rollout with their claimed times.

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