Ford delays new EV plant, cancels electric three-row SUV

[Redline]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/ford-delays-new-ev-plant-cancels-electric-three-row-suv.html

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[Dark-Fx]

So I take it this means project T3 is delayed till 2027? Have to wonder where Rivian will be at by then. On a three year refresh schedule we might be seeing gen3 of the R1 line.

 

[jlstan]

I'm sure I could look it up, but is VW still going to build Scouts in SC?

 

[COdogman]

Unless they think they can do what Rivian is doing and condense EV building into what they already have, it seems shortsighted.

 

[Snail]

Here I was, hopeful we'd start seeing some very budget-oriented North American-build EVs. I have a hard time grasping at the fact that we're losing this to China.

Our battery packs are too expensive to manufacture here? I thought we'd see some major cost-effective technology hit the market by now.

 

[RedRaiderRivian]

Here I was, hopeful we'd start seeing some very budget-oriented North American-build EVs. I have a hard time grasping at the fact that we're losing this to China.

Our battery packs are too expensive to manufacture here? I thought we'd see some major cost-effective technology hit the market by now.

Looks like GM and Hyundai/Kia are the only companies really committed to producing lower cost EV's in the US. I sat in an Ioniq 5 last night and was impressed with the quality. Now they just need to reduce the cost.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Here I was, hopeful we'd start seeing some very budget-oriented North American-build EVs. I have a hard time grasping at the fact that we're losing this to China.

Our battery packs are too expensive to manufacture here? I thought we'd see some major cost-effective technology hit the market by now.

Everything is too expensive here. All through the concept/design phases through engineering, and through execution. Impossible to compete when costs at every stage are half as much or less.

 

[HapticWagon]

I wonder if because Trump is threatening to remove EV tax credit??

 

[Riviot]

Everything is too expensive here. All through the concept/design phases through engineering, and through execution. Impossible to compete when costs at every stage are half as much or less.

That damn American living standard strikes again! #SingleFamilyHomes

 

[Dark-Fx]

That damn American living standard strikes again! #SingleFamilyHomes

Is it ironic that a big part of our problems today are self inflicted, by moving so many things overseas because it saves corporations money?

 

[Snail]

Looks like GM and Hyundai/Kia are the only companies really committed to producing lower cost EV's in the US. I sat in an Ioniq 5 last night and was impressed with the quality. Now they just need to reduce the cost.

I actually quite like Hyundai and Kia, and I hope GM can shrink some of their EV offerings.
The way I see it, as long as we can electrify as much of the developped world as possible, and as quick as possible, using PHEVs or EVs, we can drastically reduce the amount of fuel we use.

Ford has a rear-drive plug-in hybrid system for their Explorer, and hybrid front transaxle 1.0T 7speed DCT, but only available overseas.

I would have hoped theydevelop those into North American products by now.

 

[Riviot]

Is it ironic that a big part of our problems today are self inflicted, by moving so many things overseas because it saves corporations money?

Since Great Britain moved a lot of its industries to America in the 18th & 19th centuries? Absolutely. See: textiles and farming

 

[moosetags]

To put the world in perspective, China has five times the population of the United States in virtually the same land mass. That means that there is five times the work force to produce products at a labor cost far below that in the United States. China can do us in with low priced entry level EV's. That is just a fact of life.

Brian

 

[Goose]

Everyone is balking at making new EV's because of the decline in sales. AKA what the market analysts say is a decline in consumer desire to purchase the product, bullshit. People are ready to buy EV's, we just need more affordable options out there.

The R2 is going to sell like hotcakes, it's the perfect blend of size (Wrangler/Bronco size), style (boxy), and price (if $45K is real and the models actually exist at that price). The market just needs a Tacoma/Ranger mid-size truck in the low $40K range.

 

[Rividiculous]

Everyone is balking at making new EV's because of the decline in sales. AKA what the market analysts say is a decline in consumer desire to purchase the product, bullshit. People are ready to buy EV's, we just need more affordable options out there.

The R2 is going to sell like hotcakes, it's the perfect blend of size (Wrangler/Bronco size), style (boxy), and price (if $45K is real and the models actually exist at that price). The market just needs a Tacoma/Ranger mid-size truck in the low $40K range.

I agree except there isn’t a decline in EV sales, is there? It’s just a slow down in growth. I suspect we will see the EV continue to grow and later take off big time once people get more comfortable with charging infrastructure. (After it improves.)

I also suspect Ford’s delay is Rivian’s gain. Less competition in the three row market means more demand for the R1S.

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