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Cloaked Audis, covert CEO meeting: how VW's $5 billion Rivian bet transpired

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...w-vws-5-bln-rivian-bet-transpired-2024-06-27/

June 27, 2024

SAN FRANCISCO/BERLIN, June 27 (Reuters) - A few camouflaged Audis arrived secretly from Germany early this year at a facility of electric vehicle (EV) maker Rivian in California, where some 30 engineers stripped the electronics and fitted them with the U.S. startup's harnesses and modules.
Intense testing followed at the Palo Alto facility of how the U.S. startup's architecture and software - controlling virtually every function - would work in the German cars.

The mission: to see whether future EVs from Audi parent Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE), opens new tab could benefit from Rivian's (RIVN.O), opens new tab advanced technology, two people close to the deal told Reuters. A third confirmed that some Audis were shipped to California.

The result: Europe's biggest carmaker said on Tuesday it would pump as much as $5 billion into Rivian as the two automakers agreed to a technology joint venture.

The closely guarded deal took the auto industry and investors by surprise. Details on how it came about have not previously been reported.

"I think it's an accomplishment in its own right that this hasn't leaked, given the amount of work that's already happened... and the number of people involved across our teams," Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe told Reuters.

Rivian and Volkswagen sought to be "super secretive," aiming "to see if the electrical topology and everything would actually work and if they could pull it off," one of the sources told Reuters.

The three sources asked not to be named because they were not authorized to provide these details to media.

Volkswagen and Rivian did not immediately respond to requests for comment outside business hours in Europe and the U.S.

'A SERIOUS CONVERSATION'

The deal is crucial for both companies.

For Rivian, known for its R1S SUVs and R1T pickups, it provides the financial lifeline it needs to survive a sharp slowdown in EV demand, build its less expensive R2 SUVs and, it hopes, turn profitable.

It may also help the company get better deals from suppliers while procuring components in bigger volumes with the backing of Volkswagen and its brands including Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini and Bentley.
Rivian shares jumped 23% on Wednesday.
For Volkswagen, the deal brings low-cost, high-performance EV technology that traditional automakers have struggled to master.

Work at the group's software unit Cariad - set up in 2020 to rival EV market leader Tesla - has been riddled with delays and losses partly seen as a result of sluggish decision-making by the group's management.

The talks that led to the dramatic tie-up began, Scaringe said, when he and Volkswagen CEO Oliver Blume met privately at Porsche's experience center in Atlanta.
Two sources said the meeting was in August last year.

"We just went deep, talking product and comparing notes on the things we like," Scaringe told reporters. "There was immediate realization that we have some shared vehicle interests. Quickly that led to a serious conversation as to how can we look at working together."

'LONG WORK IN PROGRESS'

The companies got to work straight away, with a Rivian team visiting Volkswagen in Germany that fall.

The testing to make sure everything worked together was "like a scrimmage," Scaringe told a company townhall on Wednesday, according to one source. Another trip to Germany followed early this year with lawyers and software experts, this person said.

Volkswagen was less "dogmatic" than it had been previously under Blume about what it should do itself and where it should seek external partners, a fourth source told Reuters.

To overcome the difficulty of integrating starkly different work cultures that often plague such deals, Volkswagen leadership agreed to embrace Rivian's agility, its software chief Wassym Bensaid told analysts on Tuesday. He said "very clear rules and responsibilities" had been set for the JV.
His comments were aimed at alleviating VW investor concerns about whether the company's traditional, more methodical approach to automaking and multiple supplier contracts would clash with Rivian's nimble software approach.

VW shares fell 2% on Wednesday. VW investors also worry about Volkswagen spending more when it already has high capital expenditure compared to its peers.

Certainty on the deal came after Rivian ran tests on the Audis in Palo Alto, which arrived in the first quarter of the year, leading to financial talks over the past couple of months, one source said.

A fifth person, close to Volkswagen, said the companies still need to do full-fledged tests to make sure VW vehicles with Rivian software can drive with complete functionality.

"This isn't as if it's something that we thought of a month ago," Scaringe told Reuters on Tuesday. "This has been a long work in progress."
For Scaringe, who grew up as a Porsche enthusiast and restored classic 356s, it was a natural fit.

"To be able to see a Porsche on the road that has our technology in them, I couldn't be more excited," he said.
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I love that RJ and team have been sitting on this info for at least a couple of quarterly calls....I know dang well there's more info he and the team are holding back right now whether good or bad ;)
Between the R3 / R3X surprise reveal and now this, it sure seems like Rivian can keep major topics under wraps when needed.
 

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Between the R3 / R3X surprise reveal and now this, it sure seems like Rivian can keep major topics under wraps when needed.
Yeah, this is a good thing for sure! I guess there were a handful of potential insider trades right before the big VW announcement but for the most part, the major outlets knew nothing.
 

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Not sure this is going to be a real lifeline for Rivian. I’m not saying the market is always right, but it’s going to end up valuing the deal at maybe $2.5-3B at the outset?

I think there is a CEO that had a good idea, built an OK initial product, improved it a little, but is having a hard time competing in a crowded market.

I’m saying this as an investor.
 

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Not sure this is going to be a real lifeline for Rivian. I’m not saying the market is always right, but it’s going to end up valuing the deal at maybe $2.5-3B at the outset?

I think there is a CEO that had a good idea, built an OK initial product, improved it a little, but is having a hard time competing in a crowded market.

I’m saying this as an investor.
They built a great first product, iterated well and have shown a compelling roadmap for the mid year with new mass market vehicles. They have also developed a good software stack that many other companies have failed at and is valued at least $3B if not more. That is before their other technologies like the motors.
 

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They built a great first product, iterated well and have shown a compelling roadmap for the mid year with new mass market vehicles. They have also developed a good software stack that many other companies have failed at and is valued at least $3B if not more. That is before their other technologies like the motors.
I don’t think that’s an on objective analysis. The stock is down 85%, including this recent “run up.” And based on the discussions in this forum and from folks who own one, the initial product was cool, but frustrating.
 

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I don’t think that’s an on objective analysis. The stock is down 85%, including this recent “run up.” And based on the discussions in this forum and from folks who own one, the initial product was cool, but frustrating.
Are a lot of people driving their rivians around going "Man this truck is great i guess, but it would sure drive better if the stock price was higher!"

Stocks aren't product, people buying and using a vehicle by and large aren't doing it because of stock prices.
 

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Are a lot of people driving their rivians around going "Man this truck is great i guess, but it would sure drive better if the stock price was higher!"

Stocks aren't product, people buying and using a vehicle by and large aren't doing it because of stock prices.
You’re missing what I said. People here are driving it and saying “this is a cool car/truck, but it’s buggy and I’m nervous about keeping it beyond warranty.” Heck, people on here are considering doing whatever they can to stay under warranty.

That, plus competition, is why the stock is down. Your false connection is just trying to make a counterpoint to something I didn’t say.
 

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You’re missing what I said. People here are driving it and saying “this is a cool car/truck, but it’s buggy and I’m nervous about keeping it beyond warranty.” Heck, people on here are considering doing whatever they can to stay under warranty.

That, plus competition, is why the stock is down. Your false connection is just trying to make a counterpoint to something I didn’t say.
Rivian was at the top with Consumer Reports annual survey, don't take a few anecdotal opinions to heart. They have built and incredible brand that many connect with and are making huge long term investments right now to lay a solid foundation, I'm so excited to see them grow with R2/3. Long view for me....All Wall Street seems to want is a blow out quarter in my opinion.

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Rivian was at the top with Consumer Reports annual survey, don't take a few anecdotal opinions to heart. They have built and incredible brand that many connect with and are making huge long term investments right now to lay a solid foundation, I'm so excited to see them grow with R2/3. Long view for me....All Wall Street seems to want is a blow out quarter in my opinion.

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I’m hoping for a blowout quarter too.

I’ll be honest. I’ve been an investor for years. And we are currently in the market for a 3 row EV SUV. I’d love to get a R1S dual max, but all the folks on here have got me concerned with quality and reliability issues for a daily driver.

I’m on a couple other forums for other cars and there seem to be a lot less concerns there….
 

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I'm hoping for the best and love the vehicles and ideas RJ has been working towards.

Did find it somewhat interesting that RJ sold some stocks before of all these announcements, but perhaps had some personal reasons.. 71,429 shares for $803,576:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/...8024030366/xslF345X03/wk-form4_1719523673.xml
RJ owns approx. 3.5 million shares, he sold like 2 percent, ha! And, he could of waited till the stock popped with this announcement as he knew it was coming. Yes, we have no idea why he sold but lets put it in more context.
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