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The Range Rover is Rivian's best marketing positioning. Anyone wanting any Range Rover should be buying the R1S gen 2. Simple as that: same features and functionality, available now.
I hope that Rivian has the initial quality, reliability and service under control.
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As an early adopter I feel totally betrayed by Rivian with respect to the Driver + functionality that they are brining to the 2nd gen and not bringing to the first gen vehicles. Their Driver system really should be called Driver -. It’s virtually useless. And now they are leaving their most dedicated purchasers, those who took the early risk on them, without the benefit of a Driver assistance system that actually works? Really disappointing.
 

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RIP 21in wheels. After driven 3 different Rivians with 22in wheel/tire combo, I am not impressed with their ride quality. 21in is OK, 20in yield the best ride in my opinion. I find it strange that Rivian decides to go big (rims size) for efficiency. I'll bet with a proper set of aftermarket 20in aero'ish rims and low rolling EV specific AS tires, it will beat out the new 22in aero rim/tire combo plus much better ride quality :like:
 

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I think the biggest problem for gen 1 owners (like myself) is that we were sold on autonomy that had Wassym selling us on the promise with the “in the works, it will come”, “wait till you see what we’re doing” only, he never mentioned you have to sell your vehicle and upgrade to the second gen for these ?.

I get it, they’re a company that is in survival mode and adjusting - but it came at our dollar… they won’t even transfer the ambient lighting by deciding on focusing on new customers. Why haven’t they offered a refund to customers for the lack of clarity on autonomy of the gen 1 vehicles? I love their product, but I’m less convinced as a future Rivian customer with their questionable business tactics. Sure, Elon is nuts - but his products sell themselves in my opinion and I overlook his tactics. Not entirely the case for Rivian.
 

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The bottom line? The 2022-2024 R1’s are now obsolete from a technical standpoint.

The 2025 R1 computing power, cameras, vampire drain, sensors, etc. are now state of the art.

“A new Rivian Autonomy Platform relies on 11 cameras and five radar sensors. Utilizing predictive artificial intelligence, it has 10 times the computing power of the first-generation system and eight times the number of camera megapixels. This improves visibility, including in poor light and inclement weather, allowing the vehicle to “see” three times farther, up to 10 seconds ahead.”

“Efficiency gains also reduce draw; we were told that the Gear Guard sentry system now burns through just a single mile of range in 24 hours.”

“Overhauling more than 60% of the software and hardware components underbody has saved space and weight, can make repairs easier and less costly, and will help Rivian achieve its target of a full-year profit.
Engineers rebuilt the R1 models' electrical architecture. A new circuit board bearing Nvidia Drive Orin chips operates at 10 times the previous processing speed, now capable of 250 trillion operations per second. The 17 ECUs in the first-gen R1 models have been culled to seven. A new zone-based electrical architecture localizes tasks into east, west and south zones, enabling quicker response times. The streamlining eliminated 44 pounds of wiring.”

The new processing speed, now capable of 250 trillion operations per second, is off the hook!
 
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Does anyone know why the R1S All Weather floor mats now list as only compatible with Gen 1? What changed in Gen 2 that the floor mats won't work?
 

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As an early adopter I feel totally betrayed by Rivian with respect to the Driver + functionality that they are brining to the 2nd gen and not bringing to the first gen vehicles. Their Driver system really should be called Driver -. It’s virtually useless. And now they are leaving their most dedicated purchasers, those who took the early risk on them, without the benefit of a Driver assistance system that actually works? Really disappointing.
I'm in the opposite boat. I don't want a vehicle to drive itself but I do love being able to have a more relaxed drive with current driver +, 3 hour drive this morning was very relaxing.

Do you just want hands free or more? The original camera for hands free and lane change are only things I believe could be construed as possibly coming. Once they removed interior camera hands free was done.
 

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I think the biggest problem for gen 1 owners (like myself) is that we were sold on autonomy that had Wassym selling us on the promise with the “in the works, it will come”, “wait till you see what we’re doing” only, he never mentioned you have to sell your vehicle and upgrade to the second gen for these ?.

I get it, they’re a company that is in survival mode and adjusting - but it came at our dollar… they won’t even transfer the ambient lighting by deciding on focusing on new customers. Why haven’t they offered a refund to customers for the lack of clarity on autonomy of the gen 1 vehicles? I love their product, but I’m less convinced as a future Rivian customer with their questionable business tactics. Sure, Elon is nuts - but his products sell themselves in my opinion and I overlook his tactics. Not entirely the case for Rivian.
As someone mentioned if really worried about not having the latest and greatest. Lease an EV. My truck is so improved in 18 months of ownership it blows my mind.

Tesla has overpromised time after time, so I just be missing something. Otherwise I would already have a cyberturck that I turned down 4 months ago.
 

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Rear wheel drive, with the "microwave" deep compartment in the frunk? I used to fit a large jogging stroller into there!
Yep. Loved that huge amount of space.
 

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I'm in the opposite boat. I don't want a vehicle to drive itself but I do love being able to have a more relaxed drive with current driver +, 3 hour drive this morning was very relaxing.

Do you just want hands free or more? The original camera for hands free and lane change are only things I believe could be construed as possibly coming. Once they removed interior camera hands free was done.
The driver plus as it is now barely works. I don’t need full self driving, but I can’t go more than 10-15 minutes without the current system just quitting or getting confused. There are strips of road if works on and often it suddenly gives me a warning and disengages. Slightly inclement weather? Well Rivian driver plus stops working altogether in that circumsfanxs. It is really slightly above useless in its current form and it sounds like Rivian is basically screwing all of the 1st gen owners after promising all would be improved by updates over time.
 

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The driver plus as it is now barely works. I don’t need full self driving, but I can’t go more than 10-15 minutes without the current system just quitting or getting confused. There are strips of road if works on and often it suddenly gives me a warning and disengages. Slightly inclement weather? Well Rivian driver plus stops working altogether in that circumsfanxs. It is really slightly above useless in its current form and it sounds like Rivian is basically screwing all of the 1st gen owners after promising all would be improved by updates over time.
I wonder if your truck might have a camera or calibration issue. Mine seems to never do what yours is doing and mine works just as I would expect it to without error?
 

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I wonder if your truck might have a camera or calibration issue. Mine seems to never do what yours is doing and mine works just as I would expect it to without error?
Yeah mine is as good as the Autopilot v1 on the 2016 Model X it replaced, though more conservative in terms of shutting off before highway merges, tunnels etc. I have to manually change lanes but that works pretty well. And Driver+ doesn’t nag me like Autopilot.
 

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The driver plus as it is now barely works. I don’t need full self driving, but I can’t go more than 10-15 minutes without the current system just quitting or getting confused. There are strips of road if works on and often it suddenly gives me a warning and disengages. Slightly inclement weather? Well Rivian driver plus stops working altogether in that circumsfanxs. It is really slightly above useless in its current form and it sounds like Rivian is basically screwing all of the 1st gen owners after promising all would be improved by updates over time.
Interesting, mine works about the same as. Blue Cruise and AP. I like Blue Cruise full hands free better but overall have about the same amount of "interruptions". Only real issue I have is in early morning sun, but all 3 have that issue.

I live in a flat dry area so maybe that helps mine. Only had 2 disengagement today on 3 hour interstate drive.
 

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As someone mentioned if really worried about not having the latest and greatest. Lease an EV. My truck is so improved in 18 months of ownership it blows my mind.

Tesla has overpromised time after time, so I just be missing something. Otherwise I would already have a cyberturck that I turned down 4 months ago.
You make a good point about leasing, but leasing is not an option when you adopt early. I have a Tesla too, and yes, they overpromise for sure, but my experience has been that any update they make, for years, included my Tesla. That's the right way to do things. Anyway, I can't say that I didn't accept the risk when I pre-ordered my Rivian. I was signing on to a new company, and I cannot expect them to have the same values or approach as Tesla. In some ways that is a good thing, in other's a bad.
 

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Interesting, mine works about the same as. Blue Cruise and AP. I like Blue Cruise full hands free better but overall have about the same amount of "interruptions". Only real issue I have is in early morning sun, but all 3 have that issue.

I live in a flat dry area so maybe that helps mine. Only had 2 disengagement today on 3 hour interstate drive.
I think it might be geography, as you suggested. I live in the suburbs of New York City, and it seems that Rivian relies on mapping to a large degree rather than the cameras just "seeing" the road, assessing the surroundings, and making decisions based on that. So since they have yet to map many areas, it has a lot of dead zones. Again, my gripe isn't that the experience sucks now with Driver+, I expected that going in. I'm just annoyed that they have decided to abandon those of us who bought the vehicles over the past 2 years by not putting the energy into evolving the system in our vehicles.
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