Spotted: Apple Watch As Key for Gen 2 Rivian! (I hope it works on G1, too!)

[Brian-MS90D]

How would you have locked it without cell service?

On the Tesla you can lock it and close the door.
Admittedly on the Rivian I haven’t figured out how to do that yet. It makes a beep and keeps only the driver’s side door handle open. Rivian needs to allow a user to press lock on the screen and then close the door (or I need to figure it out).

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[Brian-MS90D]

Also it would be interesting to test whether the phone, presumably locked inside the car, can still work in this case.

But what is the usage model, you go out with your phone, and then lock it in the car while on an adventure with only your watch? Right? Also, what's wrong with taking the cards, which are waterproof? But anyway, your phone is in the car, wonder if the Watch can tell it to unlock locally without cellular. I'll try this if I find myself out of cell range.

Yes I will leave the phone in the car and you have to disable Bluetooth on your phone otherwise someone can enter the car and drive away (obviously).
No, the Apple Watch shortcut cannot control Bluetooth function on the phone like you propose, and even if it could that’s not a solution because leaving your phone in the car with Bluetooth on keeps the car unlocked and it’s an ignition key.

Today in my Rivian, I do take the keycard with me because no way do I trust the shortcuts alone. Admittedly not the end of the world but dumb especially coming from a Tesla with such an easy implementation of the watch as key. I go without my phone quite often, you can do a lot from just your watch including Apple Pay.

 

[SwampNut]

otherwise someone can enter the car and drive away (obviously).

Not obvious at all, and I think it's probably not true. Have you tested it? I can lock the fob inside. Haven't tried locking the phone in.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Because shortcuts are very slow. Too slow to be practical and it isn't touch-less/hands-free. AWAK + proximity would offer a touch-less experience, just like PAAK, and without requiring a phone key to be present. Gen 1 do not possess ultra wideband bluetooth, and that is the reason given for AWAK to be Gen 2 only.

Using only NFC is really slow as well, the truck doesn't know to wake until you're physically at the door with the keycard.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Using only NFC is really slow as well, the truck doesn't know to wake until you're physically at the door with the keycard.

Yup. Thus, even the keyband isn't ideal.

 

[SwampNut]

Using only NFC is really slow as well, the truck doesn't know to wake until you're physically at the door with the keycard.

In my experience, the card is slower than the shortcuts. But we are talking 3-7 seconds, WHO CARES, if this is something you do once a week when you go hike or whatever. I'm far more impatient than most, but outlier situations require a different mindset. The Rivian already unlocks on approach FAR FAR better than our Tesla ever did.

As expected, can confirm that the Watch cannot unlock/use shortcuts when the phone is totally turned off. Now to go lock it in the car...

 

[SwampNut]

As I thought, this *is* solved with shortcuts on the Apple Watch. This works:

Stuck the phone in the center console, didn't mess with Bluetooth or any settings.

Close doors and hit the lock shortcut on the Apple Watch, it locks.

You cannot open the doors by pulling on them.

Hit unlock on Watch, car opens. It took almost -GASP- three seconds.

Next test would be fully out of cell range.

 

[jambaman84]

After listening to what Wassym Bensaid mentioned in an interview yesterday (or previously recorded), he stated that there is way more potential for software updates that are fun with the gen 2 vehicles and while gen 1 will get updates, it won't be nearly as what the gen 2 will get.

It kinda sucks for our vehicles to be left in the dirt this quick.

 

[camaroz1985]

For two years, they said it's coming. Just didn't say it's not coming for existing R1s. ? I am now rethinking the keyband, i.e. finding one second-hand. They really should add keyband to the Gear Shop, like they said they would once upon a time, if they're not going to give us AWAK.

I finally broke down and bought an Apple Watch because it was said to be coming, and I don't have and can't get a keyband. Guess that was a waste.

 

[Ralph]

Not obvious at all, and I think it's probably not true. Have you tested it? I can lock the fob inside. Haven't tried locking the phone in.

I do it all the time. I drive to a trail with my phone and fob. Put the phone in the console and the fob in my shorts and go for a run.

For clarity - I don't turn off blue tooth on the phone or turn it off. It does seem like I sometimes have to proactively hit the lock button on the fob as I leave to run. I sense that that has changed through software updates, but cannot confirm so I always check as I take off that the truck is locked.

 

[Milermore]

How would you have locked it without cell service?

I never lock my Rivian - it lock itself.

 

[SwampNut]

I never lock my Rivian - it lock itself.

Not if you don't walk away with the fob or phone. If you can't unlock it because you left the fob/phone behind and there's no service, then you also can't lock it.

 

[Milermore]

Not if you don't walk away with the fob or phone. If you can't unlock it because you left the fob/phone behind and there's no service, then you also can't lock it.

good point - I didn't think of that since I usually park in places where there is service and I take my phone/fob with me.
Though I think I have locked(and unlocked) with the card a couple times.

 

[Brian-MS90D]

@SwampNut and @Ralph , if you leave your bluetooth phone-as-key phone in the vehicle it is a huge risk that the vehicle will detect it, unlock when someone presses on the door handle, and then that person be able to press the brake and put the car into gear. Why would leaving your enabled phone in the vehicle be any different than walking up to the vehicle?

This is also the same for key fobs. While there are some areas in vehicles that are dead spots to key fobs, it's extremely risky to leave a key fob in the locked vehicle.

If you leave your enabled phone in the locked vehicle, you are relying on Rivian software logic to "get it right." A quick online search on the topic (and my own experience in Tesla's) will show that this is folly. I guarantee you that at some point and on some software revision (or when you car goes to sleep and wakes back up differently), you're enabled phone will be unlocking your vehicle when you don't want it to.

 

[SwampNut]

Why would leaving your enabled phone in the vehicle be any different than walking up to the vehicle?

Ok, why would it NOT be??? You realize the car is specifically looking for the event of leaving and arriving, right?

I guarantee you

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