Cybertruck Laugh of the Day [⚠️ WARNING: NO POLITICS; MEMBERS BANNED]

[COdogman]

Some people were pretty upset early on that Rivian didn't put stake pockets in the bed because that's what they're used to using.

There is no way to make everyone happy. I think the Tacoma got rid of those stake pockets at least 2 generations ago, which is like 50 years in Toyota design cycles. ?‍

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[Biturbowned]

I can reach over the bed sides of my F-150 too, the question is whether it accomplishes anything useful (reaching all the way down to the bed in a meaningful way). In the Cybertruck I can secure loads just reaching over to the L-track mounted 18" above the bed floor. And the bed height is lower to begin with (in Entry Mode).

Also, a 20-year-old Tacoma is not as tall as a recent model year Tacoma, so you are comparing smaller, older trucks. We need to compare to modern, currently available 1/2 tons.

The R1T has adjustable suspension (though not as much adjustment as the Cybertruck) and the bed sides are only 19" high, so of course a person of reasonable height can reach over. Not all 1/2 ton 4x4's are that small.

And when was the last time a truck owner removed his lift kit so he could reach over the bed? Most people don't care (at all) about having side access to their giant trucks.

Sounds like we both agree that’s a useful feature.

 

[RivianRunner]

Why does someone having an opinion about it that is different from yours bother you so much? We are literally talking about subjective items that even you should be able to understand others may or may not like.

I have zero problem with differing opinions on something that is completely subjective. When I mention that you are misinformed, it is always about something that is not subjective.

Yet in your mind it is only possible to hold differing opinions if they are "misinformed". Please explain to me how it is "misinformed" to prefer being able to reach into the bed of my truck? Or to not like the look of a 4' long windshield wiper? These are ALL things each person can decide for themselves....

You can't re-write the history of this discussion by claiming you were arguing subjective things (like whether you liked the appearance of a 4' wiper). Let's look at what you ACTUALLY said:

I also don't consider a 4' long wiper "functional."

I could go on and on.

Without ever using the 4 foot long wiper on a stormy night, you claimed it couldn't be functional. Really? I can tell you works great, one powerful swipe and the entire windshield is clear.

That doesn't sound like you are arguing about the "look of a 4' long windshield wiper", it sounds like you are trying to make the case that it couldn't work well. Isn't that what the word "functional" means?

It's obvious to me that you argue against the Cybertruck because you feel threatened by it, you think it will hurt your investment in Rivian (as if it hasn't been hurt enough already). How well Rivian stock does has very little to do with how well Cybertruck does because the truck market is enormous, and there is room for cute utes, big ugly diesels, and tough, futuristic trucks like the Cybertruck. How well Rivian stock does is up to Rivian, they need to make it cost less to manufacture than they can sell it for. That's a tall order and it's not dependent upon Cybertruck being a niche product. Bashing the Cybertruck might make you feel better about your losses, but it doesn't help Rivian succeed.

I have not argued against your subjective preferences, I have been pointing out your factual misrepresentations of the Cybertruck. Because I have a lot of first-hand experience with a Cybertruck. I know how it works and drives.

As one more example, you tried to position the steering lag of the Cybertruck when whipping the wheel from full left to full right as an unacceptable disadvantage over traditional steering systems when, in fact, it is clearly a lot faster than the steering on any other truck.

It seems you just want to bash Tesla and the Cybertruck, even when you have to distort the truth to do it. Don't be so brand jingoistic, it makes you look like a foolish person, and it reflects poorly on other Rivian fans who are not so irrational and hateful of the Cybertruck. You are welcome to your subjective opinions, just avoid misrepresenting the factual qualities of the Cybertruck to try to prove you are right, it just makes you look really foolish.

I'm OK with you not liking the Cybertruck, I'm not OK with throwing the truth out the window to make your case.

 

[doit82]

Memes, memes this thread is for memes! Agree to disagree and post more memes!

 

[RivianRunner]

Sounds like we both agree that’s a useful feature.

I'm tall, so I can minimally reach over the sides of my F-150 4x4 (which is taller than 4x2 versions). When I say "minimally" I mean it's not really practical in most cases to be reaching over the sides and someone of average height cannot realistically achieve anything by reaching over the bed sides.

Yet the F-150 is the best-selling truck in America and most of them are 4x4. Most buyers cannot reach over the bed sides. That tells me it's not as important as non-truck people think it is. I do appreciate the way the bed lowers on both the Cybertruck and the Rivian. The Rivian bed doesn't go as low as the Cybertruck, nor is it as deep. The lockable cargo area under the tonneau on the Rivian is limited to objects only 17.1" high, which is a real limitation, the Cybertruck can fit items up to 29.5" tall under the tonneau, over a full foot taller. That's a real advantage of having tall bed sides.

I would rather have the extra lockable height than be able to reach over the bed sides, that's just not how trucks are loaded or unloaded. My $7,000 carbon fiber 29er with carbon fiber gravel bike in X-Large frame size fits easily under the Cybertruck lockable tonneau cover, in the Rivian I would have to lock it up with a cable through both carbon fiber rims to keep them safe, but people could still be tempted because it would be in plain site, they could see how valuable it was. A simple cable cutter and it's gone.

I really don't understand the fixation with reaching over the bed sides when it so severely limits the cargo volume. The huge lockable storage of the Cybertruck is one of its greatest strengths, for those who need a truck. It's very secure too.

 

[SoCal Rob]

I really don't understand the fixation with reaching over the bed sides when it so severely limits the cargo volume.

I’m sure people will be able to reach cargo in the Cybertruck very easily when it’s sitting on top of the spare tire and range-extending battery. I’m assuming you can fit both at once, but that so severely limits the cargo volume and available payload.

Enough snark. Many of us think the design of the Cybertruck is compromised: form over function being spun and marketed as function over form. If you enjoy it and get utility from it, that’s great! Maybe spend more time enjoying it and less time trolling Rivian Forums?

My husband and I were considering a Model Y for a little while and I spent some time researching on a couple of Tesla forums. We ended up not buying and you know how many posts I made on them? Zero. The product wasn’t right for us for several reasons, but that doesn’t mean the people who bought them should be preached to and/or trolled because they made the wrong decision according to my needs. In fact, I recommended a Model Y to friends who seemed like it would be a good fit for them, they bought one, and they love it.

I know this is the internet and all, but maybe try to do something constructive with your time instead of whatever you think you’re doing here.

 

[COdogman]

I have zero problem with differing opinions on something that is completely subjective. When I mention that you are misinformed, it is always about something that is not subjective.



You can't re-write the history of this discussion by claiming you were arguing subjective things (like whether you liked the appearance of a 4' wiper). Let's look at what you ACTUALLY said:



Without ever using the 4 foot long wiper on a stormy night, you claimed it couldn't be functional. Really? I can tell you works great, one powerful swipe and the entire windshield is clear.

That doesn't sound like you are arguing about the "look of a 4' long windshield wiper", it sounds like you are trying to make the case that it couldn't work well. Isn't that what the word "functional" means?

It's obvious to me that you argue against the Cybertruck because you feel threatened by it, you think it will hurt your investment in Rivian (as if it hasn't been hurt enough already). How well Rivian stock does has very little to do with how well Cybertruck does because the truck market is enormous, and there is room for cute utes, big ugly diesels, and tough, futuristic trucks like the Cybertruck. How well Rivian stock does is up to Rivian, they need to make it cost less to manufacture than they can sell it for. That's a tall order and it's not dependent upon Cybertruck being a niche product. Bashing the Cybertruck might make you feel better about your losses, but it doesn't help Rivian succeed.

I have not argued against your subjective preferences, I have been pointing out your factual misrepresentations of the Cybertruck. Because I have a lot of first-hand experience with a Cybertruck. I know how it works and drives.

As one more example, you tried to position the steering lag of the Cybertruck when whipping the wheel from full left to full right as an unacceptable disadvantage over traditional steering systems when, in fact, it is clearly a lot faster than the steering on any other truck.

It seems you just want to bash Tesla and the Cybertruck, even when you have to distort the truth to do it. Don't be so brand jingoistic, it makes you look like a foolish person, and it reflects poorly on other Rivian fans who are not so irrational and hateful of the Cybertruck. You are welcome to your subjective opinions, just avoid misrepresenting the factual qualities of the Cybertruck to try to prove you are right, it just makes you look really foolish.

I'm OK with you not liking the Cybertruck, I'm not OK with throwing the truth out the window to make your case.

OMG man. MOST of my criticisms of the Cybertruck are subjective. Just like your praise of it is subjective.

It is really weird that you are unable to accept that. So in truth you are NOT ok with others not liking the Cybertruck because here you are on the Rivian forum attempting to convince us the CT’s inconsistent steering lag is still a “game changer”. You are the one who wanted to compare it to your F-150, which is a pretty low bar for a supposed “game changer”. It’s completely subjective to say it offers any benefit over regular electronic steering systems.

A huge and ugly wiper is not functional design in my opinion. Not only does it look ridiculous, but you have one big wiper attempting to move water, snow, ice from the windshield in one slow motion. Based on your silly defense of robotaxis it is clear you are not comprehending how that might be a problem for those who live in places that experience real winters.

Please stop acting like you are the arbiter of truth or accuracy. You flat out refuse to acknowledge any mistakes or faults with Tesla, FSD, your Cybertruck, or Musk as a person - laughably claiming you have never seen any hateful statements made by him. It’s just sad…

You finally acknowledge Rivian vs Cybertruck, but of course it’s not to compare it functionally - it’s a manufacturing comparison totally unrelated to the discussion at hand

Just keep moving those goal posts and enjoy life in your fantasy world you have created in your mind.

 

[HopefullyR1S]

I saw a video (will post if I can find it) that explains the CT best.
“Most of the innovation in the CT was because the engineers were required to compensate for the overall bad design choices “.
I have been a designer on projects like that; head guy thinks they are game changers but simply make everything harder (more complicated) for no reason.
The CT is a marketing stunt that hit the market 2-3 years too late. There are simply more (better) options now.

 

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[Stickboy46]

These are the best. Showing off your Cybertruck doing things that a Honda Civic can do and acting like its impressive

 

[Dark-Fx]

These are the best. Showing off your Cybertruck doing things that a Honda Civic can do and acting like its impressive

Heck I think that load could be done with a 12V powerwheels truck.

 

[RivianRunner]

The product wasn’t right for us for several reasons, but that doesn’t mean the people who bought them should be preached to and/or trolled because they made the wrong decision according to my needs.

I'm not saying anyone made a wrong decision with Rivian, or that the Cybertruck is the best fit for everyone, you have misunderstood me if you think that.

What I am saying is that people are spreading a lot of misconceptions about the Cybertruck that are simply not true. The people most guilty of this feel very threatened by the Cybertruck. I'm all about the truth over made up fiction. People visit forums to learn the truth, not get filled up with a bunch of lies and misconceptions. People here have so little actual knowledge of the Cybertruck, it's comical to hear them act like they know what they are talking about.

I'm not saying it's the best choice for everyone, I'm saying half the crap certain Rivian fans claim about it is factually untrue. There are opinions, and there are facts. They are not the same thing.

 

[beyondgravity]

I haven't driven a CT. I traded a Tesla M3LR for the R1T. The Tesla is better in nearly ever way possible, except for not being a truck. The brand jingoism here is laughable and sad, but not totally surprising. Funny though, in Tesla groups if I mention the places where the Rivian is better, they call me a Rivian fanboi. And here I've been called a Tesla fanboi.

If the CT is like my M3 but a truck, it would be a clear win over the Rivian. I don't know if it is however.

It is easy to pick and choose this is my favorite feature either one of these; but for me overall R1 beats Tesla any day.

 

[HopefullyR1S]

These are the best. Showing off your Cybertruck doing things that a Honda Civic can do and acting like its impressive

NoT aLL trUCKs.
The forced justification is what gets me everytime. Lol

 

[RivianRunner]

OMG man. MOST of my criticisms of the Cybertruck are subjective. Just like your praise of it is subjective.

That's a nice cop-out. I guess everything can be subjective. Like the steering lag in a truck you've never driven. That's what "subjective" means, isn't it?

It is really weird that you are unable to accept that. So in truth you are NOT ok with others not liking the Cybertruck because here you are on the Rivian forum attempting to convince us the CT’s inconsistent steering lag is still a “game changer”. You are the one who wanted to compare it to your F-150, which is a pretty low bar for a supposed “game changer”. It’s completely subjective to say it offers any benefit over regular electronic steering systems.

It's OK to not like the Cybertruck. It's not OK to pretend like its steering lag is a problem when it crushes the speed of a traditional steering rack like the one Rivians use. As to comparisons, the F-150 is a natural benchmark because it's the best-selling truck in America. In the auto business, volume of sales is everything, that's what informs you if you have a good product at a good price. High sales mean people find your product desirable.

Which do you think will sell in greater numbers over their respective lifespans, the R1T or the Cybertruck? You probably think the Rivian, I think the Cybertruck. We will see who was right.

A huge and ugly wiper is not functional design in my opinion. Not only does it look ridiculous, but you have one big wiper attempting to move water, snow, ice from the windshield in one slow motion. Based on your silly defense of robotaxis it is clear you are not comprehending how that might be a problem for those who live in places that experience real winters.

Being a life-long powder hound and storm chaser, I've put myself into real winter weather, on purpose, in cars and trucks, my entire life. I know how cars work in extreme winter conditions. None of them are that good, it's mostly up to the operator to manage the vehicle properly. I have zero concerns with the single large wiper with a powerful motor. It's different than what we are used to, but it was engineered with the requirements in mind. You just want something to be skeptical of.

If anything, the Cybertruck was designed to be easier to manage in extreme winter weather. The first sweep of the big ass wiper on a snowy morning will work with gravity to push snow down the steeply raked hood. There is no gully to trap snow like all my other vehicles have. I think it's brilliant to make it easy for the snow to brush off.

Please stop acting like you are the arbiter of truth or accuracy. You flat out refuse to acknowledge any mistakes or faults with Tesla, FSD, your Cybertruck, or Musk as a person - laughably claiming you have never seen any hateful statements made by him. It’s just sad…

I'm not the sole arbiter of truth, but neither are you. That's why I call out the false claims you make about Cybertuck. A discussion forum should not be one-sided, even if you would obviously prefer that.

You finally acknowledge Rivian vs Cybertruck, but of course it’s not to compare it functionally - it’s a manufacturing comparison totally unrelated to the discussion at hand

Well, we are comparing the cost to produce because they are roughly in the same market, the same price range. But if the Rivian is being sold far below its cost to produce, it is relevant, because it speaks to whether it will even be around in 5 years. Anyone could make a great car and sell it for less than it costs to build just to get market share, but that's not sustainable.

Just keep moving those goal posts and enjoy life in your fantasy world you have created in your mind.

Look in the mirror. The real fantasy is that it doesn't matter if one vehicle is being sold at such a big loss that it threatens the very existence of the company! Buyers want to know the company that makes the car they are buying will be around for warranty support, parts, service, etc.

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