Entire Tesla Supercharger team fired (Update: Elon Musk says supercharger network growth will continue). ** ⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS **

[srkz]

Looks to me like Elon got everyone else to switch to NACS so they would continue to build out a network Teslas could utilize and is maintaining a skeleton crew to keep the existing SC network maintained.

If that was the plan, this was a real stupid decision. All the OEMs were on board 6 months ago. Today? I expect a lot of executive meetings discussing whether or not switching to NACS as standard for new vehicles in 2025 is actually a good idea after all.

If that was the plan, he needed to wait until California and Federal laws/incentives were re-written to favor NACS as the open standard over CCS, which they still haven't been.

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[Riptide]

He *hired* people to pioneer ahead and he did so as this quiet nerdy dark horse character that people found refreshing. Twitter has no revenue, Tesla appears to have chaotic and volatile leadership, and SpaceX isn't run by him. Not sure how instability leads to genius in your world.

Ohh, and he pretended to invent subways that function worse than existing subways, and kill some chimps.

Simmer down Supra, I’m never said he’s a genius. I’m no fan boy, nor am I a rabid hater. But it ounds like your position is pretty clear. LOL! .

I simply want more information before evaluating this particular business decision.

cheers.

 

[pinolero]

The SC network is a game changer with practically all other car manufacturers jumping onboard with NACS. Very odd and erratic to dismantle the entire team. Range anxiety is still one of the top reasons people are reluctant to go all in on a BEV.

This doesn't help solve this. Instead, it extends that fear that people have and as such does not translate to sales and profit which appear to be the driving force behind this.

 

[Grabs10]

There are software integrations that need to take place, beyond the NACS adapter. Currently, only Ford and Rivian have completed the software side. Other OEMs haven’t, so it’s certainly not the case that “everyone” switched to NACS.

I’ve charged at a supercharger (magic dock) in my model 3 with a Volvo, Cadillac Lyrig, Chevy bolt and a Rivian before the adaptors were a thing and they charged all fine…. How much different is a magic dock vs any other v3 supercharger different as far as software. Is the magic dock adaptor any different then the adaptors manufactures send out?

 

[Redline]

I’ve charged at a supercharger (magic dock) in my model 3 with a Volvo, Cadillac Lyrig, Chevy bolt and a Rivian before the adaptors were a thing and they charged all fine…. How much different is a magic dock vs any other v3 supercharger different as far as software. Is the magic dock adaptor any different then the adaptors manufactures send out?

The Magic Dock adapters look identical to the ones getting sent out.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Makes me wonder if there are Rivian cultists that have Cybertruck in their names that constantly shitpost on their forums, but I really can't be arsed to look.

I think a lot of us are either former Tesla owners or also own a Tesla.

I'm a former owner so there is still some love in me of all things Tesla aside from Musk. I would probably go back to Tesla if they made anything compelling and Musk wasn't in charge.

I'm also a former VW/Audi/Porsche owner so I still got some love for that company despite the whole diesel gate fiasco.

Interesting enough I have no love for MB despite owning one. I just don't see how anyone in their right mind could love an MB.

 

[ksurfier]

I think a lot of us are either former Tesla owners or also own a Tesla.

I'm a former owner so there is still some love in me of all things Tesla aside from Musk. I would probably go back to Tesla if they made anything compelling and Musk wasn't in charge.

I'm also a former VW/Audi/Porsche owner so I still got some love for that company despite the whole diesel gate fiasco.

Interesting enough I have no love for MB despite owning one. I just don't see how anyone in their right mind could love an MB.

Completely agree, it seems like MB EV offerings are a complete joke, gimmicky and too much fluff/no substance…

 

[s4wrxttcs]

The SC network is a game changer with practically all other car manufacturers jumping onboard with NACS. Very odd and erratic to dismantle the entire team. Range anxiety is still one of the top reasons people are reluctant to go all in on a BEV.

This doesn't help solve this. Instead, it extends that fear that people have and as such does not translate to sales and profit which appear to be the driving force behind this.

One thing to add is its not just the Supercharger network, but the destination network as well.

The team that was let go did a great job at providing a solid network of options for charging whether you needed to charge on the go or if you wanted to stop for a night and slow charge.

With Tesla it wasn't so much that you were buying the car, but that you were buying the entire Tesla experience.

Now I don't necessarily think its the end of the Tesla's SC or Destination charging, but its certainly a massive bomb that went off, and will take some time for things to sort themselves out.

I don't believe it was a calculated move at all, but one made out of anger.

This is why I think Elon should go.

He's no longer capable of making strategic long term decisions. The kind of decisions he used to make which convinced me to get a Tesla a long time ago.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Completely agree, it seems like MB EV offerings are a complete joke, gimmicky and too much fluff/no substance…

Usually I can identify why a certain kind of person likes a vehicle.

With Rivian owners its pretty duh!
With Porsche/Audi/VW its definitely the way they drive
I understand why Jeep owners get their vehicles and put up with their issues
Italian vehicles are an easy one to get
Toyotas are pretty straight forwards

But, for life of me I don't get MB owners at all aside from Sprinter Van owners (what I have). When I sell it I'll miss the van conversion stuff, but I won't miss the van one bit. I certainly won't miss their maintenance plans.

 

[ksurfier]

Usually I can identify why a certain kind of person likes a vehicle.

With Rivian owners its pretty duh!
With Porsche/Audi/VW its definitely the way they drive
I understand why Jeep owners get their vehicles and put up with their issues
Italian vehicles are an easy one to get
Toyotas are pretty straight forwards

But, for life of me I don't get MB owners at all aside from Sprinter Van owners (what I have). When I sell it I'll miss the van conversion stuff, but I won't miss the van one bit. I certainly won't miss their maintenance plans.

I’ll take a stab at it:

They like their G-wagon to spontaneously combust on the middle of the highway.

They are older/affluent/want the classiest features/german perfectionism.

Look for status/elitism/luxury.

They don’t care about the high maintenance cost…

But seriously, I’ve seen so many MBs on the side of the highway on fire that I could never get one for that fact alon…

 

[RedCanyon]

Do that too many times though, and don't you start to have a harder and harder time bringing in the new team because people become less willing to risk them being the next ones dumped impulsively?

Not the people you want. You want the people that have confidence they are better than the other guys and have the swagger and work ethic to pull it off. Love him or hate him, Musk is one of the most successful business leaders of all time and is likely going to have a larger impact on mankind than any business leader before him. There are thousands if not millions of driven, smart, determined people that would give their left arm for the chance to work for him and/or one of his organizations. Again, you can love him or hate him... and most people wouldn't like to work for him... but he isn't looking for most people!

 

[Tampa R1T]

An update on electrek..

https://apple.news/Au6X7CK88SZa2xwxcmDLV0A


‘Two sources told Electrek that Tinucci was fighting back pressure from Musk to fire a bigger percentage of her team, and the CEO decided to let go of the entire team as an example.”

 

[Redline]

An update on electrek..

‘Two sources told Electrek that Tinucci was fighting back pressure from Musk to fire a bigger percentage of her team, and the CEO decided to let go of the entire team as an example.”

Absolute child.

 

[emoore]

Not the people you want. You want the people that have confidence they are better than the other guys and have the swagger and work ethic to pull it off. Love him or hate him, Musk is one of the most successful business leaders of all time and is likely going to have a larger impact on mankind than any business leader before him. There are thousands if not millions of driven, smart, determined people that would give their left arm for the chance to work for him and/or one of his organizations. Again, you can love him or hate him... and most people wouldn't like to work for him... but he isn't looking for most people!

I just don't buy that philosophy. I could get a job at a Musk company if I wanted to but I have no desire to. I think he does well at start up companies and when those companies are young and growing. But he tends to ruin established companies (see Twitter) due to his nature of treating it like a startup. Tesla is next, and then it will be SpaceX if he gets fully control there.

 

[Autolycus]

I just don't buy that philosophy. I could get a job at a Musk company if I wanted to but I have no desire to. I think he does well at start up companies and when those companies are young and growing. But he tends to ruin established companies (see Twitter) due to his nature of treating it like a startup. Tesla is next, and then it will be SpaceX if he gets fully control there.

I work for the exact opposite of a start-up, so I'm one of the worst people to participate in this discussion in a lot of ways, but... I think this is where I land with Elon's management style. It can be great for a startup that needs to be more dynamic and faster to pivot to get its footing. Established companies simply must be run differently than start-ups because the negatives of the start-up mentality eventually catch up to the company if it doesn't evolve.

There are absolutely some established companies that go too far the other way, but there is value in having some amount of stability and preserving institutional knowledge. Elon is like the exact opposite of that. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else and so he makes decisions JUST TO BE DIFFERENT. Chaos is not a good thing and is not sustainable forever, contrary to what Littlefinger always said.

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