Interesting, just published Rolling Stone article about the Tesla Cybertruck...

[CrazyOne]

They, presumably, make the argument that it's unsafe because it weighs over 6k lbs and could harm other motorists. I guess us Rivian owners must be driving extremely dangerous vehicles at over 7k lbs ?.

The sharp edges, front design and inflexible hood will kill people. It's not just the weight. Same reason why it will never be sold in EU.

Regarding Musk's comment about winning an argument with other cars, there are assault charges, manslaughter charges, 9000lb Hummers, buses and trucks. Oh and Tesla kryptonite, parked fire engines and semi trucks. It won't be winning all arguments.

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[Donald Stanfield]

The sharp edges, front design and inflexible hood will kill people. It's not just the weight. Same reason why it will never be sold in EU.

Regarding Musk's comment about winning an argument with other cars, there are assault charges, manslaughter charges, 9000lb Hummers, buses and trucks. Oh and Tesla kryptonite, parked fire engines and semi trucks. It won't be winning all arguments.

All cars kill people. I don't see much of a difference between this and a jacked up F350. At a certain point slightly worse doesn't really matter. Fatal is fatal. You aren't extra dead.

 

[CrazyOne]

All cars kill people. I don't see much of a difference between this and a jacked up F350. At a certain point slightly worse doesn't really matter. Fatal is fatal. You aren't extra dead.

It's the speeds at which they kill, that matters. A difference of 10 mph is huge because the limit is usually 25 mph in places where people and cars interact. On a lifted vehicle, the likely impact point is the plastic grill.

 

[DevSecOps]

The sharp edges, front design and inflexible hood will kill people. It's not just the weight. Same reason why it will never be sold in EU.

Yes and if you have some logical thought process, like many other people pointed out, that's all irrelevant.

Do you seriously think someone getting hit with an R1T at 50mph is any different than getting hit by a CT at 50mph? Until there's actual tests done this is just all hate and speculation.

Sharp edges... Ok. I guess we'll see how many people show up with Tesla cuts in the ER next year.

 

[CrazyOne]

Yes and if you have some logical thought process, like many other people pointed out, that's all irrelevant.

Do you seriously think someone getting hit with an R1T at 50mph is any different than getting hit by a CT at 50mph? Until there's actual tests done this is just all hate and speculation.

Sharp edges... Ok. I guess we'll see how many people show up with Tesla cuts in the ER next year.

Probably not. Don't you think it makes a difference at 25mph, where most pedestrians and cars interact?

What happens when an owner slips and hits on of those edges? The rear top edges will puncture whatever falls on them.

 

[DevSecOps]

Probably not. Don't you think it makes a difference at 25mph, where most pedestrians and cars interact?

What happens when an owner slips and hits on of those edges? The rear top edges will puncture whatever falls on them.

Ok I'll be sure to slip and fall in front of a semi truck at 25mph rather than a CT. Thanks for the life saving tip.

I'll also ask an ER physician, to let me know how many people come in with CT puncture wounds and I'll report back with that data.

 

[CrazyOne]

Ok I'll be sure to slip and fall in front of a semi truck at 25mph rather than a CT. Thanks for the life saving tip.

I'll also ask an ER physician, to let me know how many people come in with CT puncture wounds and I'll report back with that data.

You are correct. Downtown and shopping malls are filled with semi trucks doing the speed limit. My bad!

 

[DevSecOps]

You are correct. Downtown and shopping malls are filled with semi trucks doing the speed limit. My bad!

Moving trucks have to get to those houses some how. I bet I'm more likely to see that vs Jay Leno in his CT.

But seriously, should I also replace my square metal mailbox with sharp edges, just in case a runner or bicyclist crashes into it?

 

[CrazyOne]

Moving trucks have to get to those houses some how. I bet I'm more likely to see that vs Jay Leno in his CT.

But seriously, should I also replace my square metal mailbox with sharp edges, just in case a runner or bicyclist crashes into it?

Semi truck drivers drive slowly at around 10 mph in narrow city streets. People are also more aware of them and give way to them. They don't accelerate very quickly and surprise people. Not to mention, bringing semi trucks into this discussion is absurd.

 

[DevSecOps]

Not to mention, bringing semi trucks into this discussion is absurd.

Gotta meet absurdity with absurdity.

Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

It's the speeds at which they kill, that matters. A difference of 10 mph is huge because the limit is usually 25 mph in places where people and cars interact. On a lifted vehicle, the likely impact point is the plastic grill.

No, on a lifted truck the impact point is the solid steel bumper. Plus, something with a front end lower to the ground has pedestrians likely to go up and over it whereas something lifted tends to drag the pedestrian under it. The cybertruck looks more like it will get people up and over it than a f350 lifted would.

 

[CrazyOne]

No, on a lifted truck the impact point is the solid steel bumper. Plus, something with a front end lower to the ground has pedestrians likely to go up and over it whereas something lifted tends to drag the pedestrian under it. The cybertruck looks more like it will get people up and over it than a f350 lifted would.

Don't get me started on lifted trucks. Anything more than 2-3 inches is illegal in most states. Some enforce them.
I wonder how judges see these cases, when illegally lifted vehicles are at fault and cause fatality.

 

[Zoidz]

Moving trucks have to get to those houses some how. I bet I'm more likely to see that vs Jay Leno in his CT.

But seriously, should I also replace my square metal mailbox with sharp edges, just in case a runner or bicyclist crashes into it?

You seem to be enjoying mocking and joking about the “sharp edges”, pedestrian safety standards, etc. Fortunately safety experts know more about the risks and hazards than you do.

The NHTSA is in the process of adopting Euro standards for pedestrian safety. Read a portion below, which specifically discusses scoring. The scoring includes head and upper and lower leg impact. The fact is a “sharp” as in square edge will cause more injury than a rounded edge. A three year old learns this quickly when they bang their head against a kitchen table corner vs. child’s play set with rounded corners. At 10 or 15 mph, this could make the difference between a broken leg vs. a bad bruise in a pedestrian accident.

If you want to learn more about the facts, start here, but I suspect it is more fun for you to avoid the facts and make inane comments about vehicle/pedestrian safety.

This protocol specifies the AEB/LSS VRU test procedure for Car-to-Pedestrian, Car- to-Bicyclist and Car-to-Motorcyclist scenarios, which are part of Vulnerable Road User protection.
Note:
Active Safety scoring in VRU is conditional to the total points achieved in subsystem tests, i.e. the sum of pedestrian Headform, Upper Legform & Lower Legform scores.
If the subsystem total test score is lower than 18 points, no points are available for AEB/LSS VRU, regardless whether the system is fitted and would achieve a good score

 

[DevSecOps]

You seem to be enjoying mocking and joking about the “sharp edges”, pedestrian safety standards, etc. Fortunately safety experts know more about the risks and hazards than you do.

The NHTSA is in the process of adopting Euro standards for pedestrian safety. Read a portion below, which specifically discusses scoring. The scoring includes head and upper and lower leg impact. The fact is a “sharp” as in square edge will cause more injury than a rounded edge. A three year old learns this quickly when they bang their head against a kitchen table corner vs. child’s play set with rounded corners. At 10 or 15 mph, this could make the difference between a broken leg vs. a bad bruise in a pedestrian accident.

If you want to learn more about the facts, start here, but I suspect it is more fun for you to avoid the facts and make inane comments about vehicle/pedestrian safety.

This protocol specifies the AEB/LSS VRU test procedure for Car-to-Pedestrian, Car- to-Bicyclist and Car-to-Motorcyclist scenarios, which are part of Vulnerable Road User protection.
Note:
Active Safety scoring in VRU is conditional to the total points achieved in subsystem tests, i.e. the sum of pedestrian Headform, Upper Legform & Lower Legform scores.
If the subsystem total test score is lower than 18 points, no points are available for AEB/LSS VRU, regardless whether the system is fitted and would achieve a good score

I have no problem going based on facts. But the outrageous claims that owners will be "punctured" by their truck lends towards mocking.

Since we want to talk about facts... here's some for you:

• Getting hit by a Cadillac Escalade, Ford F-150, Dodge Caravan or other pickup truck, SUV or minivan increases pedestrian mortality rates by 54% at 25 mph compared to rates for sedans.
• The mortality rate is four times higher for pedestrians hit somewhere other than an intersection.
• Commercial vehicles account for 10% of all miles driven.

So given the stats what is the problem here? There's a vehicle on the road that falls into the same category as an armored van, a military vehicle, a plumbing van, a UPS truck, a hummer, an R1, a semi truck etc. Blunt force trama to the legs can kill someone, and that's before they roll onto the hood. A truck, a Semi or any other vehicle with the hood higher than the waist line would likely kill someone due to blunt force impact to the torso. The only time someone rolls onto a hood is normally vs a sedan. So if you care, so much more than I, about pedestrian safety maybe you should sell your R1 and get a M3 sedan...

As of Jan 1, 2023 it's no longer illegal to jaywalk in California. So if there's a 4x higher chance of getting killed by jaywalking do laws and pedestrian safety really matter? Or is it just because this is a CyberTruck and Tesla made it? Should we ban all trucks, minivans and SUVs? I was a paramedic and my mom was an ER physician, I care about helping people and their safety, but in my honest opinion, this isn't really about safety. The tweet I referenced on the first page is just wrong in so many ways that it makes it blatantly obvious that this is pure hatred and nothing more. On a normal day that tweet would be blasted for being sexist (assuming all drivers of a cybertruck are male) and for bullying.

Lastly, there's no evidence of anything yet because the crash test data and statistics haven't even been released. It's only a "concern" by people who really can't stand anything Tesla does. So, I'll hold out criticism regarding it's safety until we know the facts and give it equal critique to other similar vehicles.

 

[jebinc]

For 2025, sure, Tesla will produce lots of CTs. It isn't clear how slow the production ramp will be for 2024. I fully expect R1T and Lightning each to outsell CT in 1Q24 and maybe even in 2Q24. I'm a minority opinion in the Tesla community, but I suspect Tesla will slow roll their ramp to catch issues with all the advanced tech they've crammed into the CT.

And when demand wanes (after the initial cultist demand is satisfied), Tesla will cut the price to prop up demand (a short term fix) - See model S Plaid, for example. Now a low priced, low volume offering. Next up, CT.

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