Tesla Supercharger Membership Pricing Announced For Non-Tesla EV Owners ($0.99/month)

[DJG]

Whatever Tesla does it will likely be years before there is good coverage of CCS at Tesla. Musk will virtue signal but drag out the process as long as charging is a Tesla advantage. The best hope in the medium term is still RAN.

But I suspect in 2023 Rivian will only finish stations where they have a financial commitment. I'm very unclear how IRA will benefit CCS fast charging.

Well, I think opening the SC network could still achieve it's original purpose, which was to sell Tesla vehicles. Because a CCS vehicle is still not going to have the experience a Tesla will, and now they will get to see it up close. So, you're giving people a ticket to the show, so to speak.

That, and the SC network's relative value will quickly diminish greatly in the next few years when it is a fraction of the combined public networks and they all essentially have the same reliability and function (that's a foregone conclusion if a brute force transition is happening). Paradoxically, a charging network becomes more reliable the more it's used.

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[Franksmartin]

This is extremely good news for any non-Tesla EV owner.

 

[Titanium91352]

It's garbage, first hand experience here. I have to do the EA dance everytime I've attempted to use it (plug in, attempt to start, unplug, try again).

There's also Rivian/Lightning owners on Youtube that travel a ton of and post videos about their charging expiriences, and it isn't good. They're on this forum too I believe.

https://www.youtube.com/c/AllElectricFamily

I actually think it is becoming a deterrent for newbies wanting to get into the EV market. I comment more to others that they need to be prepared for the charging experience if they want to go in this direction. On my ICE vehicle it was easy, ten minute gas pit and I get home in 2 hours. With EA, if I am not in range of my destination you can almost count on adding one to two hours to that figure. As I sit there and watch others do the dance from charger to charger, the same dance I did to find one that worked. As I sit there I try and not think about how much is my time worth, for work, for my family. I try and not think about if adoption increases, how long will the line be? How dependable the charger?

 

[frostbit3]

I actually think it is becoming a deterrent for newbies wanting to get into the EV market. I comment more to others that they need to be prepared for the charging experience if they want to go in this direction. On my ICE vehicle it was easy, ten minute gas pit and I get home in 2 hours. With EA, if I am not in range of my destination you can almost count on adding one to two hours to that figure. As I sit there and watch others do the dance from charger to charger, the same dance I did to find one that worked. As I sit there I try and not think about how much is my time worth, for work, for my family. I try and not think about if adoption increases, how long will the line be? How dependable the charger?

Coincidentally enough Kyle from OOS Reviews put up a pretty in-depth video regarding the unreliable EV chargers in America

Covers the topic pretty in-depth and does a good job of explaining it from different point of views.

 

[ZachTDub]

Sigh.. first hand report or based on other peoples feedback? Since I easily did a 5000 mile road trip only using EA (with the exception of one stop at the RAN station in Salida) it would be hard for me to agree it is 'hot garbage'

I mean you have a right to your opinion but I find most people slamming EA have never used EA. Then you have some others that slam EA because a stall or two are down but still are able to reliable charge at the working stations and get on their way and then you have the third camp that want to blame the chargers for problems with their vehicle. Could EA be better, do better, absolutely but lets be real here.

I think it will be great if Tesla opens their network, specifically for remote locations or when other infrastructure is down for whatever reason. More options are great. If it is anything like Tesla's open network in the EU it will be more expensive and very few non Tesla cars will use it.

Hi JJ,

I think you will find a lot of people that are used to tesla Supercharge network to get a bit frustrated with EA. My experience has been really poor based on my first 4,200 mile driven on an non-tesla EV. Seem like every other time I attempt to charge I cannot get any of the stalls to charge more than 50kw. Also would be amazing if they could communicate the VIN to the station and link your account so you are also not relying on cell service to start a charge. If you have any hints or tips, they would be much appreciated. I love the truck, miss the supercharge network.

 

[Gator42]

We have to grow up on the EV world to change it. When you see them ripping out fuel tanks and putting in charging equipment, things will change.

Gas stations will add EV charging but it's wishful thinking by many that gas stations will be ripping out gas pumps...

 

[Gator42]

Well mostly this argument started from someone calling EA hot garbage that I don't even believe owns an EV.

…and this is an argument we see all the time but should go away, too. Anyone can experience EVs and all their warts through friends, family, EV rentals…even online forums. Ownership should not be threshold…

 

[Gator42]

Has anyone pointed out opening the SC network means Tesla owners dropping from an exclusive class to cattle car coach…that’s gonna sting

 

[EVTrucking]

Gas stations will add EV charging but it's wishful thinking by many that gas stations will be ripping out gas pumps...

Too soon for gas pumps to be replaced but in the not too distant future that will start happening!

Just think, a day will come when no more toxic gasoline will be refined, trucked all over the US in tankers, then poured into thousands of gas storage tanks(many that leak) and then put into millions of ICEs only to be inefficiently converted to energy while releasing/immersing us in toxic gasses, green house gasses, tiny particulates and odor. Folks don't care now because the emissions are colorless and mostly odorless. We have been conditioned to accept it as our cities disappear before our eyes and we fill the treasure chests of big oil and folks who have and will continue to do us harm.

IMHO EVs are not a perfect solution but are a step in the right direction.

 

[Gator42]

Too soon for gas pumps to be replaced but in the not too distant future that will start happening!

I’ll take the under on that bet. Maybe a bit of virtue signaling of some low margin stations but not the greenie fantasy of a beginning obsolescence of fuel stops. EV adoption is at- what? Less than 5% fleet and look at the wailing of the lack of infrastructure. The future for fuel stops is safe and secure for a long time…

 

[EVTrucking]

I’ll take the under on that bet. Maybe a bit of virtue signaling of some low margin stations but not the greenie fantasy of a beginning obsolescence of fuel stops. EV adoption is at- what? Less than 5% fleet and look at the wailing of the lack of infrastructure. The future for fuel stops is safe and secure for a long time…

Lets hope you are wrong.

 

[RBR1S]

Too soon for gas pumps to be replaced but in the not too distant future that will start happening!

Just think, a day will come when no more toxic gasoline will be refined, trucked all over the US in tankers, then poured into thousands of gas storage tanks(many that leak) and then put into millions of ICEs only to be inefficiently converted to energy while releasing/immersing us in toxic gasses, green house gasses, tiny particulates and odor. Folks don't care now because the emissions are colorless and mostly odorless. We have been conditioned to accept it as our cities disappear before our eyes and we fill the treasure chests of big oil and folks who have and will continue to do us harm.

IMHO EVs are not a perfect solution but are a step in the right direction.

Gas stations will add EV charging but it's wishful thinking by many that gas stations will be ripping out gas pumps...

The key difference here is that electricity is already EVERYWHERE. Gas stations, with their volatile tanks of chemicals and explosive potential were limited on where they could be.

It's really up to us how we deal with EV as a society. Do we keep the gas station mentality and fill up at a designated spot, do we make EV charging in every single parking spot a requirement *yes*, or do we simply wait and whine about it. I'm going for options 2 and 1 in that order. Get rid of gas stations - even if you change them over to EV stations, and put charging into every parking spot you can as soon as you can.

2030 WA = no more ICE, lets do this.

 

[Tahoe Man]

The advantage of EV ownership is the home charging. Without that, EV purchase rate would drop like a rock.

Electric is everywhere but that doesn't mean anything if you're stuck with L2 rates on a road trip, or if it just doesn't work. Speed and ease of use play the main role for the consumer...without that there won't be a worthwhile EV adoption rate and this whole experiment fades away or stagnates.

None of this matters if there are not net profits for the operators. The gas station model works because profits are generated and unprofitable endeavors get washed out. It's a very mature business that's proven to work very well for the owner/operator and it has unparallel speed and ease of use for the consumer and is very predictable. Watching EV enthusiast struggle at the chargers or being an apologist doesn't help their case. As said before, I can't see selling electricity in a parking lot profitable in any meaningful way. The charging network needs to be owned, operated and maintained by the EV maker or a consortium to be successful.

 

[mkg3]

From electric.com

https://electrek.co/2022/08/22/tesl...experience-satisfaction-problem-going-public/

 

[SANZC02]

From electric.com

https://electrek.co/2022/08/22/tesl...experience-satisfaction-problem-going-public/

I always looked at these comparisons the same way I look at Apple owning the lead on computer satisfaction. When you own the entire landscape, for Apple, hardware and OS, for Tesla hardware and communication, it is much easier to have a solid experience and high ratings.

Tesla is very good about maintenance but they also have much less hardware to support with no screens and no point of sale devices. It will be interesting to see how they handle the network if they ever get to a point where they share the majority of their locations with other vehicle brands.

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