Universal Hands-Free can kill you! (If you don’t read release notes)

[Rade]

Been using UHF with the right foot ready to tap the brake and one hand ready to grab the wheel. I was very pleased when it just worked while in moderate traffic on a well marked secondary road.

I like the Rivian version of ADAS/UHF. We went for drive in my husbands Model Y last night and... FSD... really turned the car into an a$$hole. The traffic was moderately heavy along a limited access State highway. The car kept the speed HIGH and automatically zipped from lane to lane to lane to lane, and in one instance, waited until we were 100 yards from the off-ramp to zip through an opening in the traffic and take the ramp. All I could think about was if someone else decided to be an equally giant a$$hole and challenge the Tesla; we would have been toast. FSD wants to run at 80mph. Period. Even when you throttle the control down, it's weasels it's way back up to 80.

I yelled at my husband to turn that shit off. ...and Merry Christmas.

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[VSG]

Reading the release notes is always a good idea. However, shouldn’t everything be designed to not require reading of the release notes or manual?

But you see here's the thing: If you already own a Rivian and just got this update and didn't read the release notes, then the assumption should be your vehicle works the same way it always did. How and why would you possibly jump to "I don't need to stop at stop lights anymore"? That assumption would only come from mis-reading, rather than from not-reading. Reading the release notes is not required to avoid being "killed" by your Rivian. On the other hand, reading stop lights is required, as it always has been.

And if this is your first time driving a Rivian, again, why would you assume you don't have to stop at stop lights? That's not how cars work, and that doesn't need to be explained in release notes - it's a given.

So, everything IS designed to not require reading of the release notes - the problem is not that the OP didn't read the release notes, the problem is he inferred some capability that Rivians don't have. This is not like Tesla where you might reasonably assume that "Full-Self Drive" means what it says. Rivian has driver assistance features which got a different implementation in this release and got a little better by being available on more roads. That's all.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Been using UHF with the right foot ready to tap the brake and one hand ready to grab the wheel. I was very pleased when it just worked while in moderate traffic on a well marked secondary road.

I like the Rivian version of ADAS/UHF. We went for drive in my husbands Model Y last night and... FSD... really turned the car into an a$$hole. The traffic was moderately heavy along a limited access State highway. The car kept the speed HIGH and automatically zipped from lane to lane to lane to lane, and in one instance, waited until we were 100 yards from the off-ramp to zip through an opening in the traffic and take the ramp. All I could think about was if someone else decided to be an equally giant a$$hole and challenge the Tesla; we would have been toast. FSD wants to run at 80mph. Period. Even when you throttle the control down, it's weasels it's way back up to 80.

I yelled at my husband to turn that shit off. ...and Merry Christmas.

Sounds like it drives like me.

 

[mkhuffman]

Been using UHF with the right foot ready to tap the brake and one hand ready to grab the wheel. I was very pleased when it just worked while in moderate traffic on a well marked secondary road.

I like the Rivian version of ADAS/UHF. We went for drive in my husbands Model Y last night and... FSD... really turned the car into an a$$hole. The traffic was moderately heavy along a limited access State highway. The car kept the speed HIGH and automatically zipped from lane to lane to lane to lane, and in one instance, waited until we were 100 yards from the off-ramp to zip through an opening in the traffic and take the ramp. All I could think about was if someone else decided to be an equally giant a$$hole and challenge the Tesla; we would have been toast. FSD wants to run at 80mph. Period. Even when you throttle the control down, it's weasels it's way back up to 80.

I yelled at my husband to turn that shit off. ...and Merry Christmas.

Did you check the mode? My guess is he had it in Mad Max mode, but that is just a guess. I don't think it does that in the most sedate mode, whatever that is.

 

[captainjp]

But you see here's the thing: If you already own a Rivian and just got this update and didn't read the release notes, then the assumption should be your vehicle works the same way it always did. How and why would you possibly jump to "I don't need to stop at stop lights anymore"? That assumption would only come from mis-reading, rather than from not-reading. Reading the release notes is not required to avoid being "killed" by your Rivian. On the other hand, reading stop lights is required, as it always has been.

And if this is your first time driving a Rivian, again, why would you assume you don't have to stop at stop lights? That's not how cars work, and that doesn't need to be explained in release notes - it's a given.

So, everything IS designed to not require reading of the release notes - the problem is not that the OP didn't read the release notes, the problem is he inferred some capability that Rivians don't have. This is not like Tesla where you might reasonably assume that "Full-Self Drive" means what it says. Rivian has driver assistance features which got a different implementation in this release and got a little better by being available on more roads. That's all.

Not to mention the fact that upon entry for EVERY update, there’s splash page with a prompt to “see what’s new”

 

[CharonPDX]

LIDAR and high resolution radar (at least to some extent) can tell the difference.

Only if the software is written well, and to specifically understand that possibility. Right now? None of the ADAS/self-driving systems can do that.

 

[Tejkalra]

OK, I realize this thread title is controversial and admins may strike it down. I got the .46 update and was excited to give it a try - after watching several of the Rivian influencer reviews from the 'Autonomy Day' event. I do recall the Rivian person in the vehicle (repeatedly) saying this is an engineering test version. I somehow never caught-on it was demonstrating capabilities WAY ahead of what was rolling-out to start. Namely I was jazzed to watch the intersection driving and sign/light recognition, etc.

Well, NONE of that capability comes with this initial USD code.

My initial drive happened to begin on a neighborhood road that leads to a redlight controlled intersection. I was heading towards it at about 45-50 mph watching the light color status. It happened to be green as I approached but still a good way from it. As luck would have it, it turned yellow about the point at which you make that mental note of "will I or won't I" try to make the yellow light. Of course I just let it do its thing, unaware that intersections are completely uncontrolled.

I thought it was pretty "ballsy" the way it didn't flinch. Then I realized it wasn't slowing down at all and I was heading right towards running the redlight! I braked about as hard as the Rivian is able and stopped maybe a tad across the pedestrian walkway lines. I was like WTF!

OK, I should have read more and watched other reviews, etc. I got suckered into thinking it came out the box capable of managing traffic intersections. Boy was I wrong!

I did notice probably two intersections later that it flashed something like "controlled intersection ahead take appropriate actions" (or something like that). Either it didn't display the first time or I didn't see it.

I'll probably get fried by the parental types here but wanted to share my experience to avoid other bonsai drivers like me just diving right into it with unwise expectations.

I think it's just hands free auto pilot which extended to 3.5 million miles or something like that. It's not point A to point B self driving yet. I may be wrong. I didn't got that update yet. FYI I have FSD on my tesla. I still pay full attention on road. infact sometimes I overtake FSD if I feel unsafe. But that's me. If rivian launches full tesla like FSD. I will still use it for 30% time. Stop and go traffic sucks both on tesla and rivian. Too much gap. Inpatient drivers will merge in.

 

[DuncIT]

Yes, it is clearly stated in the release notes that it won't brake for stop signs and red lights. Still, I think it's a big potential liability for them. Their videos show that what is coming next will recognize lights and stop signs - either roll that out now or disable UHF on non-controlled roadways. Too risky otherwise. Just my two cents.

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