Second row EMF measurements?

[jwardell]

Excuse me--this is a sincere question and a serious thread. We have been productively discussing the the latest scientific research on this subject. Your comment is seriously disrespectful, illogical, and not funny. Please take your shtick elsewhere.

And I am an electrical engineer that regularly makes electrical emission measurements. Dangerous radiation emissions are hundreds of times higher when flying at high altitudes. And seriously, a layer of foil will help shield some of those emissions. Thankfully there are several layers of metal between you and the the batteries, motors, and cables to help shield emissions in your vehicle. The phone you hold against your brain is much stronger, and still not at any level of concern.

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[NineElectrics]

And I am an electrical engineer that regularly makes electrical emission measurements. Dangerous radiation emissions are hundreds of times higher when flying at high altitudes. And seriously, a layer of foil will help shield some of those emissions. Thankfully there are several layers of metal between you and the the batteries, motors, and cables to help shield emissions in your vehicle. The phone you hold against your brain is much stronger, and still not at any level of concern.

I agree that flight attendants have been shown to have more health issues than the general public. But, to be clear, I do not expose my children to flying for two hours a day, nor do I put a cell phone against their head.

The argument that "the world is known to be dangerous, so it's OK to ignore these other potential dangers" makes no sense to me. The lifetime risk of cancer is 40%, and would be higher but for accidents and other fatal diseases. If I could give my child one more year of cancer-free living (even delaying first diagnosis from age 65 to 66) by changing which car I drive, I would absolutely do so. The question is what the risks can be estimated to be, and if I can find an EV with lower EMF. ICE cars are out of the question due to benzene and other factors.

 

[NineElectrics]

the pollution from gas stoves is so bad that in a recent study, some of the researchers involved who happened to have gas stoves all went out and bought electric ones, having been surprised by their own findings.

I was referring to pollution from the exhausts of aircraft. It is not insignificant. dont be worried about an airplane landing on your head, be more concerned about its emissions.


not sure what you’re on about with “victim mentality“. Not living near sources of pollution is a very controllable thing.

focusing on EMF in a car is very much trees vs forest.

I replaced by gas stove with induction some time ago, for air quality reasons. Induction cooktops generate a lot to EMF, but, since a watched pot never boils, I don't stand closer than three feet from it for long periods. Certainly not for two hours or more a day, and my children never come close to those hot objects. For me, indoor air quality trumps that level of EMF exposure.

I agree that not living next to major highways or airport flight paths is a worthwhile choice. However, it's unrelated to this discussion. Just because the world is dangerous doesn't mean I shouldn't also consider the health risks from my car.

 

[NineElectrics]

The phone you hold against your brain is much stronger, and still not at any level of concern.

I don't want to fork this discussion too much, but I believe this last statement is up for debate (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417432/). Even though cell phone radiation is non-ionizing, it could, for example, impede pre-existing DNA-repair mechanisms which may result in an increased incidence of cancer, even if cell phone usage doesn't directly cause the cancer. My understanding is that pre-cancer occurs all the time animals (even us) throughout their lifetimes, and we don't understand it enough to enumerate all of the reasons pre-cancer progresses to cancer, or is eliminated.

 

[NineElectrics]

And I am an electrical engineer that regularly makes electrical emission measurements.
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Thankfully there are several layers of metal between you and the the batteries, motors, and cables to help shield emissions in your vehicle.

Do you have an EMF measurements from the second row of the Rivian driving in Conserve Mode that you could share? In other EVs, it can be as high as 20-30 milligauss. In others, it can be less than an ICE car.

 

[Dark-Fx]

When we got married, my wife bought an electric blanket. The first pregnancy ended very early in miscarriage. The doctor mentioned this as a possible risk so we got rid of the electric blanket. Subsequent pregnancies were problem free.

Coincidence.... or not? I am most certainly not a Chuck McGill tin foil hat type, but I do respect the idea that it might be a good idea to minimize EMF exposure to children.

Or it could be because you cooked the fetus.

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