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R2 Heat Pump? Coming? Standard? Option?

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Living in Minnesota, it would be helpful to know if the R2 Premium will have a heat pump. My understanding is that the Launch Edition does not and that the Premium Edition "may" have a heat pump. It's an important consideration to me.
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How do I confirm that? It’s good news.
 

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Living in Minnesota, it would be helpful to know if the R2 Premium will have a heat pump. My understanding is that the Launch Edition does not and that the Premium Edition "may" have a heat pump. It's an important consideration to me.
A heat pump might not be that big of deal. Gen 1 R1T did not have it, Gen 2 does. I’ve had both and have kept VERY careful track of my efficiency while driving around MN and WI. I have found little evidence of a benefit.

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Very interesting. Thanks for your information.
 

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A PTC heater has COP of around 0.95. Tesla's heat pump COP is between 3-6 for reference, depending on temperature outside. Heat pumps make a difference bc they don't create heat, they simply move heat where you want it or don't want it.

PTC heater: 1 kW of electricity produces 0.95 kW of heat, almost 100% efficient.
Heat pump: 1 kW of electricity produces 3 to 6 kW of heat, 300-600% efficient
 

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A PTC heater has COP of around 0.95. Tesla's heat pump COP is between 3-6 for reference, depending on temperature outside. Heat pumps make a difference bc they don't create heat, they simply move heat where you want it or don't want it.

PTC heater: 1 kW of electricity produces 0.95 kW of heat, almost 100% efficient.
Heat pump: 1 kW of electricity produces 3 to 6 kW of heat, 300-600% efficient
A heat pump should be more efficient but myself and others have not found any meaningful improvement with the Rivian implementation of it.
 

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A heat pump should be more efficient but myself and others have not found any meaningful improvement with the Rivian implementation of it.
I appreciate your effort to make the graphs, but they are highly subjective and not actual scientific tests. The variables are infinite. Driving speed, outside temperature, climate control usage, number of passengers, acceleration speed, cargo weight, tires, wheel size, braking speed, wind speed, wind direction, road type, etc. - not to mention those vehicles aren’t even the same drivetrain nor battery pack. Again I appreciate your effort, but it really means nothing in determining heat pump vs PTC efficiency of an R1 vehicle.
 

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A PTC heater has COP of around 0.95. Tesla's heat pump COP is between 3-6 for reference, depending on temperature outside. Heat pumps make a difference bc they don't create heat, they simply move heat where you want it or don't want it.

PTC heater: 1 kW of electricity produces 0.95 kW of heat, almost 100% efficient.
Heat pump: 1 kW of electricity produces 3 to 6 kW of heat, 300-600% efficient
It's known that Rivian uses heat from the motors to heat other parts of the vehicle, similar to Tesla. I'm not aware of published details, but I would not assume that the PTC heater is the correct point of comparison to a heat pump. I vaguely recall Munroe doing a deep dive on this some time in the past.
 
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Heat pumps are significantly more efficient than regular HVAC and show more in home applications as they are the most significant portion of energy usage.

I don't think the difference between a heat pump and not would be significant in driving, but in warming/cooling the car initially before leaving. During driving either is an insignificant portion of the energy usage compared to propulsion.

Even if it's a significant difference warming/cooling before leaving, it's still not meaningful in the entire ownership experience as your data suggests.

At this point probably best for Rivian to standardize to heat pumps than to negotiate two different types of climate control system each for a different model/generation. Obviously I have no inside knowledge of the decision.
 

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It's known that Rivian uses heat from the motors to heat other parts of the vehicle, similar to Tesla. I'm not aware of published details, but I would not assume that the PTC heater is the correct point of comparison to a heat pump. I vaguely recall Munroe doing a deep dive on this some time in the past.
Rivian used a PTC heater in Gen1 vehicles before moving onto a heat pump in Gen2 vehicles. That’s why I listed it.
 

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I thought Jeremy's post was respectful and it raises a valid point. I don't understand what the useful comparison is supposed to be when one sample is a Gen 1 quad and the subsequent is a Gen 2 dual motor.

Maybe there is one but it's not inherently obvious to me just by looking at your charts.
The charts empirically measure the efficiency of two different vehicles under highly similar conditions. It doesn't isolate the impact of the heat pump, but you'd think if the heat pump made much difference to cold-weather efficiency then you'd see a bigger difference on the left side of the chart. Maybe the temperatures don't go low enough.

Jeremy's post doesn't make much sense to me because for one thing half the variables he listed actually ARE controlled for in Budman's test. For another thing we know the Gen 2 is supposed to be more efficient in every dimension. So if the data showed Gen 2 is more efficient, we wouldn't know if it was because of the heat pump or not. But since the data shows Gen 2 is not significantly more efficient than Gen 1 conserve, we can draw a conclusion that the heat pump can't make much of a difference in the kind of environment he's testing in.
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