I've given up

[ironpig]

What's your spec? Sometimes people write these threads and then you find out it's for a Max Pack R1S with Ocean Coast etc. It really depends on what you are ordering. And Fall 2021 is pretty recent for an R1S preorder, there are so many preorders from 2019 that need to be filled and they've just barely started to manufacture the R1S.

IF you actually want an R1S and you seem not to care about the $1000 they are keeping of yours, you can just wait and see if you change your mind. Because canceling after your 8 steps won't do anything but give a guide one more headache for their day, but nobody you are mad at will ever know about it.

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[MXA121]

There's people still waiting on Broncos too. And I'm sure the Lightning situation is worse. It sucks you have to wait longer, but if you are that upset go buy a used one. They are trading at reasonable prices imo.

 

[rivian4lyf]

I ordered on Sept 11, 2021 and my delivery window was July-Sept of 2023 and then on Jan 31 it got pushed out to Oct-Dec of 23. I was not happy about it either. FG Exterior, FE interior with 22"s under body shield, Adventure package etc. I will admit I was ticked off when I saw a list of deliveries that were made to people who ordered after I did. Rivian is not transparent about orders and they keeping giving vague answers. If I were you, like lot of people have said wait it out... You gave a 1000 deposit for a quad motor and from what I see they will hold value since most are now ordering Dual Motor set up. I know it does help you out but a manufacturer does not hurt until a lot more people get together and drop orders or ask for answers why this is happening. Like someone suggested pay attention to who ordered after you and get same or similar specs as yours and then take it up with Rivian. Wait until April you never know if things change for the better for your order... You never know.

 

[astonius]

I would say that people who had a very early R1T LE reservation, then add a post-price hike later reservation, then switch their very early LE reservation to an R1S and get their guide to fulfill their post-price hike order to an R1T are pretty rare, actually.

Even rarer: someone like this that continues to put forth the deception that they are an average post-price hike reservation holder that randomly won the Rivian lottery.

Oh man, you got me so good!

I never tried to hide the fact I had two orders, so what "deception" are you talking about? My second order was placed before I even had a guide assigned on the first, and if it was possible to somehow encourage a guide to bump an order up in the queue I'd love to know how. Both my guides have been utterly useless.

There's also plenty of examples of folks with a single reservation getting their trucks within months. I'm not a special case. I had a theory mainly centered around what was being produced, and it bore out.

 

[jpal]

Oh man, you got me so good!

I never tried to hide the fact I had two orders, so what "deception" are you talking about? My second order was placed before I even had a guide assigned on the first, and if it was possible to somehow encourage a guide to bump an order up in the queue I'd love to know how. Both my guides have been utterly useless.

There's also plenty of examples of folks with a single reservation getting their trucks within months. I'm not a special case. I had a theory mainly centered around what was being produced, and it bore out.

Okay, great - so next time you put yourself out as a common post-price hike preorder that magically received delivery within ~3 months, please just go ahead and also let people know in the same post that you also had an early LE preorder with an initial April/May 2022 expected delivery. I'm sure no one else will find that at all relevant, but maybe just humor me so I don't have to call you out on it again.

 

[astonius]

Okay, great - so next time you put yourself out as a common post-price hike preorder that magically received delivery within ~3 months, please just go ahead and also let people know in the same post that you also had an early LE preorder with an initial April/May 2022 expected delivery. I'm sure no one else will find that at all relevant, but maybe just humor me so I don't have to call you out on it again.

Call me out on what? I never tried to hide a damn thing. You have your own theory that somehow my other order was relevant to this order, and that's gospel to you. Maybe it was relevant, I'm not saying definitively either way, but that's entirely your theory. Considering the fact my guide didn't even realize I had two orders when he informed me my later order was selected for fulfillment I'm highly doubtful, but clearly you know way more about this than the person who actually experienced it first-hand .

Ultimately what does it matter? The point was later, higher-priced reservations are clearly being selected for fulfillment, regardless of the justification, and I'm not the only one to experience such, even if you personally consider my case unique.

 

[jpal]

Call me out on what? I never tried to hide a damn thing. You have your own theory that somehow my other order was relevant to this order, and that's gospel to you. Maybe it was relevant, I'm not saying definitively either way, but that's entirely your theory. Considering the fact my guide didn't even realize I had two orders when he informed me my later order was selected for fulfillment I'm highly doubtful, but clearly you know way more about this than the person who actually experienced it first-hand .

Ultimately what does it matter? The point was later, higher-priced reservations are clearly being selected for fulfillment, regardless of the justification, and I'm not the only one to experience such, even if you personally consider my case unique.

None of us will ever know, and you can believe what you want. So can I. But I can guarantee you that a lot more people than just me would find that extra information that you didn't include in a post like yours today to be very relevant. It leads those people to think one thing, whereas if you had included that information, they would reach another conclusion entirely. My opinion? I think you know all that already, and you enjoy the attention from supposedly being this super-quick delivery exception that gets everyone all riled up. And yes - I know that has actually happened in some rare cases. I just don't think your case applies, and you raising your hand and piling on and being "proof" just stirs the pot unnecessarily. So feel free to keep claiming whatever you want, but maybe just provide the relevant info to let other people reach their own conclusions.

 

[astonius]

None of us will ever know, and you can believe what you want. So can I. But I can guarantee you that a lot more people than just me would find that extra information that you didn't include in a post like yours today to be very relevant. It leads those people to think one thing, whereas if you had included that information, they would reach another conclusion entirely. My opinion? I think you know all that already, and you enjoy the attention from supposedly being this super-quick delivery exception that gets everyone all riled up. And yes - I know that has actually happened in some rare cases. I just don't think your case applies, and you raising your hand and piling on and being "proof" just stirs the pot unnecessarily. So feel free to keep claiming whatever you want, but maybe just provide the relevant info to let other people reach their own conclusions.

The difference between your belief and my experience is that I actually lived it. You didn't. So you can project whatever you want to be true for whatever reason (I still really don't understand what you're getting out of this?). It's not "stirring the pot" to share my literal experience of placing an order and having it delivered three months later. What exactly are you trying to prove?

 

[9_998_383_750_000]

Hi everybody!

I‘ve been a daily lurker here for a year now. I registered today to throw in my 2 cents and add a data point. My wonderful wife got me a reservation for Christmas last year - Dec 21, R1S, FG/OC, undershield, 20” My original delivery was 2nd half of 23. Now it has moved to 2nd half of 24. OP, I feel your pain. I knew OC would be a long wait anyway but the extra year stings a little.

I was tempted to jump on a Tesla but I‘m committed to the R1S and I don’t want to pay CA sales tax twice.

I have kept the same configuration up until the “confirm” date. Never flinched during the price hike. Did the binding agreement. Recently changed to the 21 wheels to squeak under the MSRP to try for the tax credit. I worry that the extra year will see features removed or reduced tax breaks. Not to mention ever increasing interest rates. On the plus side I have more time to save.

I agree with Dark-Fx, it makes sense that some of the delay stems from service center over-crowding. I live on the east side of LA kind of nearish to the anticipated Pasadena center. El Segundo isn’t that far but just from a statistics pov, there are probably thousands of Rivian orders in the LA basin. Many of which are ahead of me. Plus, if driving habits are any indication, Hollywood types are not that good at waiting in line. I would not doubt that every A-lister in Santa Monica will get theirs before me.

It is what it is and hope springs eternal. sOOOOn

 

[JeffD]

This post pains me a lot to write, but...

I got my R1S reservation in December '21, and was told then to expect a 2nd half - 23 delivery. Then the next iteration of delivery schedules come out in October (I believe), and it slips to first half of '24. Then, last months delivery schedule announcement pushes it out to 2nd half of 24, of which I now expect to be November- December of 24, at the earliest.

On top of my anticipated three year wait, I see that many new reservation holders have jumped the line, in Rivian's attempt to generate higher revenue per vehicle. I would love to have a Rivian, and I love the looks of them as I see them driving down the road. But, you know, life moves on, and I have found better things to do with my money, and I agreed with my wife that maybe we should forego the Rivian in favor of those things.

So I am not going to take the Rivian. I am really ticked off at Rivian because of this. IMO, these pushbacks have been Riv's way of saying to us pre-price increase orders "Yes, you can have your Rivian, but F-You, you'll get it when we want you to get it, and only after everyone else gets theirs." I feel part of their motivation is to push these out as long as possible to force us either to cancel, or ship only when it is convenient for them.

So I am not going to cancel my order. Instead, sometime after I get my 8-steps notification, and only before I absolutely have to pay for the Rivian, will I cancel. This is my F-You back to them. I know it's minor, I know they don't really care and will just move my reservation to the next one in line but it's the only little thing I can do. After all, if I cancel now, then RJ, Sandy, and others can just point to my cancellation as evidence that pushing deliveries out for us is working. I am not going to give them that little bit of satisfaction.

 

[JeffD]

The difference between your belief and my experience is that I actually lived it. You didn't. So you can project whatever you want to be true for whatever reason (I still really don't understand what you're getting out of this?). It's not "stirring the pot" to share my literal experience of placing an order and having it delivered three months later. What exactly are you trying to prove?

I understand your disappointment, but you will almost certainly change your mind, maybe not keeping the vehicle, but you will suck it up and flip the vehicle and get at least the current price at the time of delivery and net you somewhere about $20,000.
if You really want the vehicle you reserved, why not buy one on the many sites selling the flipped ones, for about $100,000 and then when your arrives flip it and recover the $20k, and in some casesyou may be able to get the $7500 tax credit.
Either way, I am in the same circumstance having ordered Feb 7th, 2020 and have seen people get theirs ahead of me. There are other things in life more important then a new vehicle, try to concentrate on those things.

 

[Rivianation]

That RAM electric is looking sweet, and there will be others. Just sayin. As the years wear on, Rivian starts to age. Who wants to pay same price for 2 3 4 5 year old tech.

 

[KingTodd]

This post pains me a lot to write, but...

I got my R1S reservation in December '21, and was told then to expect a 2nd half - 23 delivery. Then the next iteration of delivery schedules come out in October (I believe), and it slips to first half of '24. Then, last months delivery schedule announcement pushes it out to 2nd half of 24, of which I now expect to be November- December of 24, at the earliest.

On top of my anticipated three year wait, I see that many new reservation holders have jumped the line, in Rivian's attempt to generate higher revenue per vehicle. I would love to have a Rivian, and I love the looks of them as I see them driving down the road. But, you know, life moves on, and I have found better things to do with my money, and I agreed with my wife that maybe we should forego the Rivian in favor of those things.

So I am not going to take the Rivian. I am really ticked off at Rivian because of this. IMO, these pushbacks have been Riv's way of saying to us pre-price increase orders "Yes, you can have your Rivian, but F-You, you'll get it when we want you to get it, and only after everyone else gets theirs." I feel part of their motivation is to push these out as long as possible to force us either to cancel, or ship only when it is convenient for them.

So I am not going to cancel my order. Instead, sometime after I get my 8-steps notification, and only before I absolutely have to pay for the Rivian, will I cancel. This is my F-You back to them. I know it's minor, I know they don't really care and will just move my reservation to the next one in line but it's the only little thing I can do. After all, if I cancel now, then RJ, Sandy, and others can just point to my cancellation as evidence that pushing deliveries out for us is working. I am not going to give them that little bit of satisfaction.

I can relate to you frustration, rage, and desire to start grabbing people and things and smash, Smash, SMASH!!!!!
As a 2020 preorder holder, when my Oct window update went from 1H 2023 to 2024, I was furious. 2024 wasn't even a date, just a "we don't know and have no plans to build your R1S." For at least 2 weeks, the only thing that kept my reservation was the prepricing and the desire to force them to make that R1S even if they lost money. I started perhaps the biggest conspiracy theory thread if not the whiniest one on Rivianforums about R1S LAS builds being pushed out because it is the lowest cost build for the buyer. I was super pissed seeing other R1S orders placed well after mine having a 2023 delivery date.
Then the January window updates came, and now I am 3Q 2023. I see SOME of those before me were adjusted to later dates. Not sure if it is related or not, but not all of the LAS R1S people in the bitch session thread I started got moved forward, it seemed like it as non LE orders with orders 2020 and earlier.
Anyway, that was a long way to say things could improve for you before then, and also, with at least 2 delivery updates expected before I receive mine, things could get worse for me. But there is legitimate hope that your delivery window could improve.
Another thing I considered was that I really wanted a BEV, and the wait to get the R1S would likely be the same as getting in line for some other BEV, and may even be more expensive. So that motivated me to stay with Rivian.
That sure is a long rambling post that really doesn't do much to your situation, but if you were ever wondering about me and "what's his story?", well your wish has been granted.
Sincerely hoping things get better on your side.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

100% agree with you OP, if you look at the configurator page they now state if you make changes in their new terms and conditions now they state that they do not have to offer you the original price and they will send your reservation to the end of the line. I have not done any of that yet my reservation was 1H23, then processing, then 2H24 which is nuts. Thankfully I have a Model X since 2019 and it's been wonderful. Rivian on the other hand has been over promise & under deliver since day 1.

If it’s any consolation to you my truck is everything they said it was and more. The actual vehicle lived up to and even surpassed my initial expectations. It’s a great product worth waiting for. I get that the waiting sucks, it sucked for me too.

You will forget all about it though when you’re tooling around in your truck shaped super car.

 

[milliemc]

I am considering that, but then, I'm afraid I might like it too much...

Take a breath. I can understand your frustration--but ultimately, if. you love the RIvian, wait for it. We have a reservation from his year so it will be awhile before we even order ours. We have been looking at getting an Hyundai Ionic 5--there is a wait for them, too. Unless you really need a vehicle ASAP, just focus on something else in your life. Just saying...

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