Has anyone tried this? "Relay attack" to your own car

[zor]

I don't like leaving my R1S outside the garage but sometimes it's unavoidable. My key fob isn't too far away from the driveway.

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[Jimbydude]

Can you update title with what your trying and give desc. I'm not clickbait fan

 

[Tony R1S]

Maybe turn off "FOB and PAAK auto-unlock" option if you're parked outside? I turn off FOB auto-unlock because the key is close to the front door. When I do use my FOB, I just need to physically press the unlock.

 

[zor]

you know what? i just remembered that I did turn off auto-unlock and to unlock the R1S I have to manually unlock using the app as the FOB auto-unlock won't work.

 

[eskudo12791]

Would love to get pin to drive like Tesla

 

[baker]

Have there been any confirmed RIVIAN thefts?

 

[baker]

Turning off auto-unlock will not protect your car from this type of attack.
"PIN to drive" would be a big help.
Today, the only way to protect your car outside is to prevent the thieves from capturing your key fobs signature. Once they have the signature they can spoof any of the buttons on the fob. You have to stop the Radio signals from reaching the thieves detection equipment. You can pull the FOB's battery or put your key in a Faraday "cage". The Faraday defense can be accomplished with a simple plastic bag type, an expensive bag or even a box that significantly reduces the amplitude of the fobs RF output. SEE LINKS

And close the app! It makes your phone into a very loud FOB

Cheep Faraday bags
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one Faraday box option
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[kozak79]

I turned off PAAK unlock while at home. It's not worth it with the constant unlock when I work by. I use Siri to unlock when approaching.

 

[baker]

BTW this is a old attack vector. Here is a 2018 video on how to build an attack tool from a Raspberry Pi. This video is boring, don't watch it for fun. Nearly six years later this is even easier with prebuilds kits for sale online that don't require any technical knowledge.

 

[CanaDave]

I turned off PAAK unlock while at home. It's not worth it with the constant unlock when I work by. I use Siri to unlock when approaching.

Cool. How does Siri access the Rivian app? Using a Shortcut? I turned off unlock at home as well and pushing unlock on the app to open can be cumbersome if your hands are full.

 

[LongJoSilver]

Isn’t all our stuff Bluetooth and this applies to RF, right? I didn’t watch the videos but am familiar with the general concern.

 

[godfodder0901]

Isn’t all our stuff Bluetooth and this applies to RF, right? I didn’t watch the videos but am familiar with the general concern.

Bluetooth is RF. As is Wi-Fi.

 

[NY_Rob]

I purchased the Faraday box below almost 2yrs ago when a vehicle in our neighborhood was stolen via a Relay Attack. Upon viewing my surveillance recordings from that morning, those scumbags also walked in my driveway and looked at all our vehicles at 4:45am. So, even if your vehicle hasn't been stolen yet.. you may be on their radar.

I tested the box by placing the fobs from our Model 3, i3 and Rivian inside, closing the box and walking right up to all three vehicles. Happily, none of the vehicles responded to their fobs being held right up against the vehicle. This is how I know I'm safe from a Relay Attack as long as everyone's fob is placed in the box at night as it's blocking all RF at that point.

The other benefit of using the Faraday box... we always know where all the fobs are!

 

[LongJoSilver]

Bluetooth is RF. As is Wi-Fi.

My bad. I should have viewed before commenting. I assumed this was like the “rolling code” thing vs encrypted Bluetooth. Yeah… might work :/

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