Whacky idea

[DB-EV]

If you don't want it, why are you buying it? Arbitraging high demand/low volume goods for personal gain is such a parasitic move.

Random question - where is the transfer case for the 4x4 in your pic?

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[guernsej]

Interesting take. Did you just call every used car salesman a parasite? I'm assuming he does want the car but would be willing to part with it for someone that values it $30K more than him. Not like is selling $5 bottled water after a wildfire went through. Amazon's business model is literally this getting you crap you want quickly with a markup... way bigger fish to fry than @Dubs.

Lol there are definitely some predatory used car salesmen out there, but they at least provide a distinct service in facilitating the exchange of second hand goods that would otherwise be more difficult for average folks to buy and sell.

Amazon also provides a distinct service using it's massive network to connect buyers and sellers and then distributing those goods faster cheaper than anyone else through it's logistical network.

Reserving a Rivian to flip it to some rich twat that couldn't be assed to reserve it earlier, isn't a service IMHO. It's an abuse of the intended reservation system, as specified in Rivian's terms and condition, solely for personal gain, at the expense of other consumers participating in good faith who actually want the vehicle.

 

[guernsej]

Random question - where is the transfer case for the 4x4 in your pic?

Behind the transmission.

 

[Arky]

May want to check the Pre-order Agreement you agreed to.

...specifically section 14.

This is specifically about cancelling orders with intent to resell, I think most of us want our cars but if someone offers me +30k on mine after I get it I'm not saying no, it's not like they're gonna sue you or something.

 

[RDB]

Once you purchase the car you can whatever the heck you want. It is not Rivian’s car after someone takes delivery. I will be keeping my R1S, but do not blame anyone for making a profit.

 

[Temerarius]

...if someone offers me +30k on mine...

If someone offers you $30k over retail for your Rivian, and you accept the offer, I'm guessing you are more likely an "accessory after the fact" to something.

That said, once you have the rig, yeah, it's yours. But if Rivian suspects you are just hoping to flip it, they can can tell you to go pound sand and cancel your order.

I'm just pointing this out, as we know (or at least have a strong suspicion) that Rivian folks do read these boards. Thus, publicly broadcasting your intent to break your order agreement may not be... a good idea.

 

[RDB]

Pretty sure Rivian could give a crap about some individual doing this. My guess is they do not want someone reserving 20 trucks and selling them

 

[Smithery]

Money is part of life, not the point of life. If your contribution to the supply chain is value extraction, you suck. There's no need to perpetuate shitty behavior just because "hey, it's capitalism."

Has anybody told you about the stock market yet?

 

[guernsej]

Has anybody told you about the stock market yet?

The stock market isn't a supply chain, my friend. Think harder next time you try and throw shade.

 

[Smithery]

The stock market isn't a supply chain, my friend. Think harder next time you try and throw shade.

And if you think the (current, as it exists today) supply chain would exist or be remotely functional without the stock market, I have a Rivian R1T to sell you.

Can't have one magical part of amazing capitalism without the other.

 

[guernsej]

And if you think the (current, as it exists today) supply chain would exist or be remotely functional without the stock market, I have a Rivian R1T to sell you.

Can't have one magical part of amazing capitalism without the other.

What argument are you having in your head here??? I'm not sure what assumptions you're working off of but my comments having nothing to do with current supply chains in general or the stock market specifically.

My comments are very narrowly addressing assholes that parasitically insert themselves into supply chains that don't need or benefit from their presence in order to extract a profit without adding any value of their own.

I've got no beef with investors making money off the stock market. It's a securities exchange, not a supply chain, so extracting value doesn't deny anyone tangible access to goods or services; it's regulated (albeit imperfectly) to guard the mutual interests of all participants; and it creates economic value by allowing companies to raise funding through public offerings. Literally a night and day difference from some schmuck flipping consumer goods in violation of the purchaser agreement.

It's absolutely possible to enjoy the amazing benefits of capitalism without having to tolerate negative behaviors like scalping ?.

 

[Joints4Sale]

I won't be flipping my truck but did just put in a second deposit for my identical build with the only difference being the Max battery pack. My guess is that I won't loose a whole lot of money on trade when my second R1T shows up.

 

[JWU]

Interesting take. Did you just call every used car salesman a parasite? I'm assuming he does want the car but would be willing to part with it for someone that values it $30K more than him. Not like is selling $5 bottled water after a wildfire went through. Amazon's business model is literally this getting you crap you want quickly with a markup... way bigger fish to fry than @Dubs.

I wouldn't call a car salesman a parasite even though I never liked them.

A ticket scalper is definitely a parasite.

 

[mgc0216]

My comments are very narrowly addressing assholes that parasitically insert themselves into supply chains that don't need or benefit from their presence in order to extract a profit without adding any value of their own.

If they weren't providing value they would have no way to extract a profit. But, in reality, they only need one customer who finds value in their offering. You may not like it, but they are providing a very specific service to a very specific customer can can extract a profit commensurate with that value.

As far as the supply chain goes, there are two at work here: The primary supply chain vendor captured their value whenever they sold the good initally. The secondary supply chain doesn't exist to benefit the primary, it only exists to benefit its own sellers and buyers. Using your logic art and collectibles should never appreciate, and scarcity isn't a factor in determining value - which is both naive and ludicrous.

Thankfully, you possess the agency to not engage in the secondary market, and its existence doesn't affect you in any way shape or form. Aren't you a lucky duck.

 

[guernsej]

If they weren't providing value they would have no way to extract a profit. But, in reality, they only need one customer who finds value in their offering. You may not like it, but they are providing a very specific service to a very specific customer can can extract a profit commensurate with that value.

Of course they're providing value for themselves and whoever buys it. By reserving a vehicle just to scalp it, someone who made no positive contribution in the development, manufacturing, marketing, or distribution of the vehicle is lining their pockets while helping someone else cut in line in express violation of the reservation terms at the expense of literally every other person behind them using the reservation system in good faith. "That's capitalism man" is a terrible excuse when we as people can be so much better than that.

As far as the supply chain goes, there are two at work here: The primary supply chain vendor captured their value whenever they sold the good initally. The secondary supply chain doesn't exist to benefit the primary, it only exists to benefit its own sellers and buyers. Using your logic art and collectibles should never appreciate, and scarcity isn't a factor in determining value - which is both naive and ludicrous.

Secondary supply chain...wut? You mean secondary market?? Either way, I have no issue with secondary markets, or the fact that scarcity influences value. I just happen have a low opinion of people trying to scam their way to a quick buck. Rivian created a reservation system to get it's vehicles into the hands of excited customers, many of whom have been eagerly waiting for years, in what they've determined to be a fair and orderly fashion, at what most would consider to be a reasonable price. Undermining that system for personal gain is obviously not something I think people should aspire to...YMMV.

Thankfully, you possess the agency to not engage in the secondary market, and its existence doesn't affect you in any way shape or form. Aren't you a lucky duck.

Thankfully, you're not the one running our economy, or our justice system for that matter. I'm a patient man so I'm not overly concerned, but every reservation made to flip on the secondary market causes an incremental delay to all subsequent reservation holders. A minor inconvenience to many that, by my calculus, greatly outweighs any benefit scalping may provide to the self-interested few.

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