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TLDR: The R1 regenerates a significant amount of energy when using ACC to control speed, so I believe it does use regenerative braking despite the brake pedal moving upon slow down.

Background: Since the R1 was launched, owners have observed that the brake pedal moves as the car slows when using ACC or Driver+, and it’s been oft repeated that the system is using the friction brakes to slow down to the detriment of efficiency due to not using regenerative braking. On a recent drive I observed that although the brake pedal was moving as the car slowed on ACC, the brake lights on the R1 model on the driver display were not illuminating, the same as if you were gently slowing using regenerative braking. I thought the addition of the new energy tab and it’s regenerated energy readout might let me do a little experiment.

Testing: There is a steep street near my house in San Diego that has a 230 ft elevation change in less than 0.5 miles distance. I did 6 runs down the street at 40mph, which requires constant braking force to maintain. I did 2 runs each with the iterations being manual speed control with regen set to “High”, Rivian ACC set to 40 mph, and the added test of using my Comma 3X with speed set to 39mph, which indicates 40mph on the Rivian driver display.

Conclusion: In all 6 test runs, regardless of controlling speed with manual regen, Rivian ACC, or the Comma 3X speed control, I regenerated 0.4 kWh of energy on the downhill test. This leads me to believe that the ACC is in fact using regenerative braking. Why the brake pedal moves as you slow? I have no idea, my theory would be some sort of preemptive “pre-charging” of the brake system to decrease stopping distance in a panic stop situation. I would love to get an official answer from Rivian about this.
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Yes!! Great testing!! I have been trying to figure this one out forever.

I still would LOVE to know how it's moving the brake pedal without actually engaging the brakes
 

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Seems like the simplest test is to just remove the brake pads from each of the wheels, put it in ACC, and see if it slows down when needed or not. Not sure why someone hasn't tried it. :)
 

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It will definitely decelerate faster than regen can provide, so I still wonder, “does it use all the regen before it blends?”
 

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I don’t suppose we can drive in service mode, brake pressure has to be in there somewhere.
 

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I use a less scientific approach. After driving with the brake assist turned off, I take my right index finger and rub it against the front wheel. Yup, no brake dust detected.... test over. :p
 

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Thank you for doing this test. I've also wondered if cruise control uses the friction brakes or not.

I think it must when the traffic slows more than what the region can provide. I have experienced much more dramatic slowing using cruise control that I could ever achieve with regen being set to high.
 
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TLDR: The R1 regenerates a significant amount of energy when using ACC to control speed, so I believe it does use regenerative braking despite the brake pedal moving upon slow down.

Background: Since the R1 was launched, owners have observed that the brake pedal moves as the car slows when using ACC or Driver+, and it’s been oft repeated that the system is using the friction brakes to slow down to the detriment of efficiency due to not using regenerative braking. On a recent drive I observed that although the brake pedal was moving as the car slowed on ACC, the brake lights on the R1 model on the driver display were not illuminating, the same as if you were gently slowing using regenerative braking. I thought the addition of the new energy tab and it’s regenerated energy readout might let me do a little experiment.

Testing: There is a steep street near my house in San Diego that has a 230 ft elevation change in less than 0.5 miles distance. I did 6 runs down the street at 40mph, which requires constant braking force to maintain. I did 2 runs each with the iterations being manual speed control with regen set to “High”, Rivian ACC set to 40 mph, and the added test of using my Comma 3X with speed set to 39mph, which indicates 40mph on the Rivian driver display.

Conclusion: In all 6 test runs, regardless of controlling speed with manual regen, Rivian ACC, or the Comma 3X speed control, I regenerated 0.4 kWh of energy on the downhill test. This leads me to believe that the ACC is in fact using regenerative braking. Why the brake pedal moves as you slow? I have no idea, my theory would be some sort of preemptive “pre-charging” of the brake system to decrease stopping distance in a panic stop situation. I would love to get an official answer from Rivian about this.
I’ve always wondered about the regen vs friction brake thing with ACC, and your results make a lot of sense. The fact that you got the same 0.4 kWh across all methods is pretty compelling.

The moving brake pedal is still a weird one, though. Your theory about pre-charging the system actually sounds pretty plausible — maybe some kind of safety measure baked in. Would love to see Rivian confirm it one day too.
 

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Maybe related, it would perhaps explain the thickness of the brake pads on my R1S from the 7.5k service last May; 8 for the front pads, 9 for the rears. I might have used friction brakes in 16 months maybe a handful of times. Have used ACC on the highway.
 

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Hydraulic brakes are used as you come to a stop because that is Brake Hold mode.
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