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Can we shelve this discussion until we get real and final information on the production vehicles?

Not an exact comparison but... I have a modern double wall oven (expensive, was here when I bought the house) with a digital control panel that controls both ovens. I used the "self clean" feature exactly once on the top oven, after which I discovered that vaporized particles could lodge in the...

Sorry, I made a pretty clear statement that you felt a need to double-check and I'm suddenly at fault?

You don't say. I guess that's why I wrote "Homekit" and not "Homelink."

I'd be happy if Homekit was included. Have the exterior lights turn on and garage door open as you approach the driveway. Lots of possibilities with app-based controls. (Realistically all that can happen without the car but it would be cool to have it all together).

A few years ago Nissan had a dog shower option that may not have made it to production. There are 3rd-party solutions like the one below but it would be cool if you could pressurize the tank with the air compressor...

There's a "preorder" which can be a contract and there's this, which is basically just a gauge of interest and a promise to do something at a later point in time, namely allow you to order a vehicle when available. But it's not really binding on either party. And, duh, there are certainly...

If you're $1,000 from financial stability maybe a $70,000+ commitment isn't the best choice. A fully-refundable $1,000 in no way obligates Rivian to do dick. It's not a contract. No gray area whatsoever.

You paid a fully refundable $1,000 for a place in line. That's neither a pre-order nor does it have risk.

As a point of reference Mitsubishi was producing 200,000 vehicles a year at that facility.

Intel and TSMC just announced big increases in US manufacturing capacity. The infrastructure bill proposal had semiconductor manufacture in it. Will see if the current version keeps it in.

Some prototypes: https://ideascdn.lego.com/media/generate/lego_ci/7409e5d0-2c47-4483-9f3c-d24b1628c989/resize:950:633/webp

Once again, nice that they can get it to work at any level but scaling it to run a full size auto and then building it in volume with a long life expectancy is the current barrier to success. 2-4 years may be realistic or it may reveal all sorts of other impediments.

Real world testing by 2023 and manufacturing at scale by 2025. https://electrek.co/2021/07/27/quantumscapes-q2-report-reveals-10-layer-solid-state-battery-plus-commercialization-timeline/ Hoping they make it but it's still a ways away.

They weren't manufacturing anything beyond hand-built prototypes until the last year or so. There's zero indication that they need a second plant for R1S; this is just speculation from bored people.

They investor group likely had an option to purchase a larger chunk if certain milestones were met.

Have all topics finally been exhausted?

Potential buyers are all adults who can readily understand what is known and unknown about a vehicle. Nobody was demanding money from random strangers in exchange for an unknown vehicle. Willing early adopters were willing to take the risk (with a convenient 7-day return period to provide some...

Inside Lone Wolf, at 806 Randolph.

My office is about a mile from the Randolph location. I've stopped driving by because progress has been really slow, however a local favorite, the Tamale Guy, has set up temporary operations in a bar a block away so I might make an exception... https://www.tamaleguy.com/