Not possible to turn off 1 pedal driving?

[mkhuffman]

I read all the posts in this thread. Quite entertaining.

There have already been posts on this forum from R1 drivers who didn't know that using low regen and the brake pedal reduces efficiency. They didn't understand why their efficiency was so poor. As @SwampNut pointed out, turning off regen will destroy efficiency and people will complain, put in service requests and maybe even bail from Rivian because of it.

There are hundreds of posts from people complaining about blended friction/regen braking on the Mach-e forum. So while some may want it, it might not make you happy.

Rivian decided the brake pedal should only apply friction brakes, because that gives you better control over the truck, especially in off road situations. Lucid decided the same thing except for road performance reasons.

Blending friction brakes with regen is very hard to do without the driver feeling it. Maybe Porsche has figured it out. Maybe not. I did not search any Porsche forums, but I suspect there are complaints about it just like on the Mach-e forum.

And you CAN coast using 1PD. I do it all the time. So easy. And how often do you coast anyway? If the traffic is slowing, you can't coast. If the traffic is accelerating, you can't coast. If you want to maintain a set speed, you can only coast for seconds before energy is needed. The whole coasting argument is overblown, IMO, but if you want to do it in 1PD, you can.

My wife hates 1PD. But she hates is less than she used to. She rarely drives my truck. If she drove it regularly, she would get used to it. I think eventually she would like it. Personally, I love it.

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[emroch]

Rivian decided the brake pedal should only apply friction brakes, because that gives you better control over the truck, especially in off road situations. Lucid decided the same thing except for road performance reasons.

Blending friction brakes with regen is very hard to do without the driver feeling it. Maybe Porsche has figured it out. Maybe not. I did not search any Porsche forums, but I suspect there are complaints about it just like on the Mach-e forum.

There was a segment from one of the videos in Utah a few weeks ago where R2's Chief Engineer, Max Koff, was talking about the braking system. It is brake by wire and does intelligently blend friction brakes with regen for a smooth response.

The R2 doesn't have a physical disconnect to enable real coasting, but with low regen pressing the break slightly should just increase the amount of regen instead of adding friction brakes. If the regen can't keep up (hard deceleration or battery full) then the friction brakes are used instead.

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[Mos Eisley]

There was a segment from one of the videos in Utah a few weeks ago where R2's Chief Engineer, Max Koff, was talking about the braking system. It is brake by wire and does intelligently blend friction brakes with regen for a smooth response.

The R2 doesn't have a physical disconnect to enable real coasting, but with low regen pressing the break slightly should just increase the amount of regen instead of adding friction brakes. If the regen can't keep up (hard deceleration or battery full) then the friction brakes are used instead.

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[MaskedRacerX]

But I'm not aware of any EV that does actually fully decouple the motors from the tires with a physical disconnect.

BMW achieves the same effect via an EESM motor implementation.

Don’t like regen, don’t buy an EV {that doesn't offer the ability to switch off OPD.}

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[hammick]

Lol I am not a bot. And I didn’t vanish, just was waiting for more people to chime in with their experience.

Sounds like it’s something I will just have to get used to in the R2. I am going for the R2 demo drive this afternoon so I’ll see how it is.

The only experience I have is with the Nissan Ariya and maybe that was just a poor design of it and maybe the R2 will be way different.

I guarantee you will quickly fall in love with Rivian's 1PD. We had an Ioniq 5 for three years and it had 5 different levels of 1PD and the ability to turn it off. We never turned it off. Properly engineered 1PD is brilliant and one of the best features of owning an EV.

 

[SwampNut]

My Polestar lets me coast. My EX90 lets me coast.

Like I said, it depends on how you choose to define the word “coast.”. In the traditional sense, where you would just put the car in neutral or hold the clutch in, the EV will never coast in that definition. The software is simply holding the pedal down for you instead of you doing it, which is really stupid so Rivian will never do that.

 

[cwq93r]

I read all the posts in this thread. Quite entertaining.

There have already been posts on this forum from R1 drivers who didn't know that using low regen and the brake pedal reduces efficiency. They didn't understand why their efficiency was so poor. As @SwampNut pointed out, turning off regen will destroy efficiency and people will complain, put in service requests and maybe even bail from Rivian because of it.

There are hundreds of posts from people complaining about blended friction/regen braking on the Mach-e forum. So while some may want it, it might not make you happy.

Rivian decided the brake pedal should only apply friction brakes, because that gives you better control over the truck, especially in off road situations. Lucid decided the same thing except for road performance reasons.

Blending friction brakes with regen is very hard to do without the driver feeling it. Maybe Porsche has figured it out. Maybe not. I did not search any Porsche forums, but I suspect there are complaints about it just like on the Mach-e forum.

People made the same point about high regen for best efficiency on the Ioniq forums when the Ioniq 5 came out. YouTubers tested each level on the same mapped city course. Which regen level won? Auto.

R2 blends regen with the brake pedal as mentioned above. I guess Rivian is up to the challenge of working on hard things. Next up? Autonomous driving!

 

[mojok]

Don’t like regen, don’t buy an EV. At least adjust the regen setting and learn to modulate your right foot. Not hard.

No one said they want regen disabled. We are talking about where regen occurs, on the accelerator pedal, or/and the brake pedal.

The brake pedal does the braking, not hard. Don't like it, don't buy an EV with 2-pedals. I also have 2 EVs that have 2 pedals and can optionally support OPD.

Like I said, it depends on how you choose to define the word “coast.”. In the traditional sense, where you would just put the car in neutral or hold the clutch in, the EV will never coast in that definition. The software is simply holding the pedal down for you instead of you doing it, which is really stupid so Rivian will never do that.

Rivian decided the brake pedal should only apply friction brakes, because that gives you better control over the truck, especially in off road situations. Lucid decided the same thing except for road performance reasons.

Why do 1-peddlers keep peddling lies? If you love OPD, good for you, no one is insulting you. No one is saying it should go away. But please stop telling us how you think it is better and please stop telling wrong information about the very car being discussed here.

 

[SwampNut]

Why do 1-peddlers keep peddling lies?

Can you please quote one of the lies?

 

[Timmdodge60]

I had an R2 demo drive this week which is the first EV I've driven. The one-pedal driving was definitely a different feel at the first stop. At the second stop I began to appreciate how good it was. After the third stop I knew I would never want to turn it off. I love it!

 

[Dark-Fx]

No one said they want regen disabled. We are talking about where regen occurs, on the accelerator pedal, or/and the brake pedal.

The brake pedal does the braking, not hard. Don't like it, don't buy an EV with 2-pedals. I also have 2 EVs that have 2 pedals and can optionally support OPD.




Why do 1-peddlers keep peddling lies? If you love OPD, good for you, no one is insulting you. No one is saying it should go away. But please stop telling us how you think it is better and please stop telling wrong information about the very car being discussed here.

Lol. I mean the obvious issue here is that people who don't like one pedal didn't learn fine motor skills as a child. They are probably miserable to ride with in any vehicle.

 

[emk]

My Ioniq 5 gives you ALL the options.
Level 0- no regen (coasting)
Level 1- low regen
Level 2- medium regen
Level 3- high regen
i-Pedel- One Pedal Driving
Auto- modulates regen based on distance to objects in front of the vehicle

Using the brake pedal blends regen with physical brakes depending on the force applied.

I‘ve ordered an R2 and I’ll probably use it like I use my Ioniq 5 and have the car make most of the decisions. HDA2–>Universal Hands Free

"Level 3 - high regen" - is that a joke? I barely consider i-Pedel high regen in my Ioniq 5. And made worse that it will never remember i-Pedal between drives so you take your foot of the gas and you keep barreling towards the stop sign. Heck, it loses your setting every time you switch between drive modes and you have to remember to re-adjust it.

 

[mojok]

Lol. I mean the obvious issue here is that people who don't like one pedal didn't learn fine motor skills as a child. They are probably miserable to ride with in any vehicle.

Glad we can agree that OPD requires more inputs to drive smoothly so that your passengers don't have to suffer for it.

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