Anyone have R2 highway driving range to share? (I'm sure the color you picked looks great)

[Horsey]

I'm curious what's driving the 4-hour drive time requirement.

Is it range anxiety? Have you owned an EV before?

For the average person, you are rarely driving more than 10-30 miles a day. On weekends, a typical day might be 50-200 miles, which is still well within range of most modern EVs.

Trips longer than that tend to be uncommon for many drivers. If that's only happening a couple of times a year, what's the downside of having "only" 250 miles of range and stopping for 150-20 minutes to charge? DC fast charging is pretty quick these days. Grab a snack or watch something on Rivian's screen, and you're back on the road.

Of course if you're regularly making 300+ mile trips, then an EV may not be for you and that's okay.

Here in the southwest, the major cities are hours apart from each other with almost nothing in between. Phoenix to Tucson round trip is 3.75 hours, PHX > Vegas is 5 hours, Tucson to San Diego is 6.5 hours, El Paso > ABQ is 4 hours. Salt Lake > Boise is 5 hours, Vegas > Reno is 7 hours (and was impossible in an EV until very recently) etc etc. There's absolutely nothing in between the major cities in many, many cases, and since superchargers locations aren't plentiful, you are really squeezed to leave with 100% battery and to try to eek out the most range you can because your choices of charging stops kinda requires you to stop at certain intervals where superchargers are, not what's most convenient, and not on a whim like you can with an ICE car.

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[Yamazaki]

I did way too good of job investing and she knows will never spend all that money.

I'd be more than happy to help you out with that if you'd be willing to kick some my way...

 

[Husky]

A vehicle that does 300 miles (100% - 0%) at 75 mph only does 210 miles 10% - 80% between charging stops which, at 75 mph, is 2:45. On a warm day. Without headwinds. And no rain. IMO it is not an excessive requirement.

I hear you, but maintaining an average of 75 on a trip and driving for 3 to 4 hours are two different things, even on a trip that's mostly highway. For example, my wife and I travel about twice a year from Southern NH to upstate NY to visit her sister. It's mostly highway, but also some local roads to get to and from the highway at each end. Even though the trip takes four hours, it's only about 210 miles, and we do it in our EV6, using about 75% of the battery capacity (in warm temps), which only has a 77kWh battery.
My point is that many trips may take 4 hours without requiring a charge. Obviously this is different than just driving flat out at 75 over longer distances, which is more common in the western US.

 

[mkhuffman]

I hear you, but maintaining an average of 75 on a trip and driving for 3 to 4 hours are two different things, even on a trip that's mostly highway. For example, my wife and I travel about twice a year from Southern NH to upstate NY to visit her sister. It's mostly highway, but also some local roads to get to and from the highway at each end. Even though the trip takes four hours, it's only about 210 miles, and we do it in our EV6, using about 75% of the battery capacity (in warm temps), which only has a 77kWh battery.
My point is that many trips may take 4 hours without requiring a charge. Obviously this is different than just driving flat out at 75 over longer distances, which is more common in the western US.

@Pablolibre - I am not sure where you live, but on the east coast it is almost impossible to maintain 75 mph+ on the highway. You can do it for long stretches between congested areas, but once you near a city the traffic is too thick.

Below is an example of a recent 4 hour drive I did from my home to a DCFC station (RAN!) in Delaware, on the way to NJ. I set the cruise on 81 mph (which is 79 mph GPS) and was able to maintain that speed fairly consistently until I approached the DC area.

If going south towards Florida I probably would have a higher average speed, but still there are lots of areas where the speed limit goes down and traffic is slower.

That drive used 71% of my Max Pack battery. Unfortunately, the R2's battery is much, much smaller than the R1 Max.

Even accounting for significant efficiency improvements, I seriously doubt the R2 would go as far as a R1 Max Pack. As others have suggested, I think the 100% battery highway range for the R2 will be closer to 260 miles, which means it probably would have barely made this drive. If it could, it would arrive with almost no battery remaining.

If you have to have the most range, and you are set on Rivian, convince your wife to look at the R1S. Finances don't seem to be an issue, but if that becomes a point of argument (which it very well could if your wife is like mine) you could look at used Gen2 Dual Max options.

If you must have 4 hours at 75 mph, the R2 isn't the right vehicle. The R1S probably is.

 

[graytag]

Believe me I've tried to get her to go back to work. Unfortunately in the past she had a health issue that was 100% stress related at her job. She's fine now but is afraid of a reoccurrence. Plus just recently she got interested in our finances for the first time ever. I did way too good of job investing and she knows will never spend all that money.

I feel ya brother. I know this is a car forum but I told my wife she had to take a Dave Ramsey course and we were canceling housekeeping and nanny, and Door Dash if she chose to stay home. The same would be true if I chose to stay home. She quickly found a job. That was 15 years ago and all is well......she has zero opinions on what car I buy. Godspeed.

 

[hsctiger]

I think I've solved @Pablolibre 's problem.

If he can teach all of us (men and women) how to get a spouse to NOT spend all the money and charge us a nominal fee, he could get the EV with the most range and dog-friendliness in the world and not worry about his budget!

 

[COMtnEV]

Basically you're asking for 300 mi range at 75 mph.

Porsche Cayenne Electric has been tested to achieve 350 miles range at 70 mph which equates to ~310 miles at 75 mph. So there's your 4 hours. Look at this calculator.

What really should be considered is the combo of range and charge speed. What if over 4 hours you could charge once and travel even further than 300 miles? Take a small break and get to your destination faster. This is where things are headed with ever increasing charge speeds. This calculator will allow you to add a charging stop.

I'm not pushing the Porsche even though I have one on order. They're terribly expensive and the dealer service is criminal. I bought one because I'm willing to get screwed for the sporty handling.

The Cadillac Escalade would be another option. Also significantly more expensive, and much larger. We have two GMC Sierra EVs, and they combine superb range and extremely fast charging (on an Ionna charger, have gone 15-80% in under 30 minutes, still pulling over 200 kWh at 80%. Out of Spec 70mph range test 100-0 was ~425 miles. Our R1T stays parked when we need to go on a road trip (less range and slower charging).

 

[richguess]

Stretch, pee, once in a while a power nap. I do a 425 mi SoCal to NoCal trip a few times a year. Yes, it takes longer. But not a lot. I5 is much better with Audible. My wife is the same way as yours, so she wants to take her 2021 RAV4 Prime. OK by me. But at home, neither of us gas up much. She’s maybe once a month, my 2024 Q8 Etron obviously never. But my 2007 VW EOS 3.2 has a drinking habit, even at maybe 2k/yr.

 

[Utah-Jay]

When I was living in SE Florida (thank god I am not any longer) I made a yearly drive to Augusta, GA and every few years to Pinehurst, NC. I dove weekly to the Florida Keys in the springtime. IF you can go door to door and average over 60mph you are doing well.

 

[defcon888]

The case for an EV will almost never be won on road trips. The road trip case is the one compromise you make owning an EV - It just takes longer for now.

However, the upsides outweigh the downsides for most. If you have or will have a level 2 charger at your house, unless your wife is frequently taking 5+ hour trips, I'd say the upside of NEVER HAVING TO STOP AT A GAS STATION AGAIN far outweighs the extra time on the occasional road trips. No smelly gas fumes, no watching ads on a gas station screen yelling at you, no dreading stopping on your morning commute wondering if you have time to fill up before you have to get to work. With an EV you wake up and the car is charged with a full "tank," (or whatever percentage you want).

And you no longer have to worry about the constant gas-price changes. My 300ish miles on my R1S cost me about $20 to fill up at home (15.5 cents kw/h * 131 kWh). For a comparable SUV (e.g., 20mpg) that equates to $1.33 cents a gallon in gas.

For my model Y - which is more like the R2 in size and efficiency than my R1S - I've saved $1,867 this year just on fuel over a comparable car. Of my total charging over 92% has been Level 2 charging at home or my parent's house (I installed a charger there). only 8% was at a Supercharger.

Or ... you can stick with gas and spend more of your life fueling your vehicle, changing the oil in your vehicle (no oil changes in EVs!), servicing the many moving parts in your vehicle, and spend more money overall ... just for a quicker occassional road trip.

I like your comparison.

I live about 145 miles from work and I am in the office 3 days a week and stay locally. My employer has 14 L2 chargersthat are all free for the employees (a perk of the job....I have to say that because I have had people make comments in other forumn ripping me for say it is FREE and do the GAS car employees get free gas?).

We have had our R1T for over 3 years and I charge to 90% at homeand leave with 270 miles of charge and arrive at work with a little over 100 miles left. I charge for 7 hours and ready to go. I hadn't used a public charger for almost 3 years until I drove into San Francisco airport to pick up my in-laws. I had to charge for about 15 mins. to give me a little extra juice and made it home.

I tell people that if you consistanly and primarily do long road trips, maybe an EV isn't for you, but on the flip side, you get to stretch your legs and use the restroom and you are right,to fully charge is about 45 mins +/-. You definately have to plan your route. I know one day charging will be almost as fast as filling a tank up with gas......the 10 minute range.

 

[babylou]

Lets see if my maths math:

• R2 and Cayenne EV use PMSM's front and rear ans SiC inverters for primary drive. Thus drivetrain efficiencies should be equal.
• Cayenne EV cDA = 7.65 ft^2 (0.25 cD X 30.6 ft^2 frontal area)
• R2 cDA = 8.76 ft^2 (0.30 cD based on same shape as R1S X 29.2 ft^2 frontal area calc est based on a lot of experience)
• R2 and Cayenne EV usable battery = 87 kWh & 108 kWh
• Cayenne EV 75 mph range = 310 mi
• R2 75 mph range = 218 mi (310 X 7.65/8.76 X 87/108)

Did Rivian achieve a lower cDA? Each 0.01 lower cD will be +~6 mi of 75 mph range

 

[babylou]

The case for an EV will almost never be won on road trips. The road trip case is the one compromise you make owning an EV - It just takes longer for now.

However, the upsides outweigh the downsides for most. If you have or will have a level 2 charger at your house, unless your wife is frequently taking 5+ hour trips, I'd say the upside of NEVER HAVING TO STOP AT A GAS STATION AGAIN far outweighs the extra time on the occasional road trips. No smelly gas fumes, no watching ads on a gas station screen yelling at you, no dreading stopping on your morning commute wondering if you have time to fill up before you have to get to work. With an EV you wake up and the car is charged with a full "tank," (or whatever percentage you want).

And you no longer have to worry about the constant gas-price changes. My 300ish miles on my R1S cost me about $20 to fill up at home (15.5 cents kw/h * 131 kWh). For a comparable SUV (e.g., 20mpg) that equates to $1.33 cents a gallon in gas.

For my model Y - which is more like the R2 in size and efficiency than my R1S - I've saved $1,867 this year just on fuel over a comparable car. Of my total charging over 92% has been Level 2 charging at home or my parent's house (I installed a charger there). only 8% was at a Supercharger.

Or ... you can stick with gas and spend more of your life fueling your vehicle, changing the oil in your vehicle (no oil changes in EVs!), servicing the many moving parts in your vehicle, and spend more money overall ... just for a quicker occassional road trip.

The issue with your reasoning is so few people are willing to read 4 measely paragraphs. The EV industry, as a whole, needs to find a way to distill your message into about two sentences. I'm gonna plagiarize a bit:

Stick with gas and waste more of your life and money fueling your vehicle and waiting for oil changes, repairs to unreliable engines and transmissions. At least you get to spend way more on fuel! Bonus; a quicker road trip you will do four times in the time you will own your car! Totally worth it. Totally!

 

[ksurfier]

InsideEVs reported usable battery energy around 88.7 kWh from EPA filing data.

let’s assume 10% SOC on arrival, so for the trip 80 kWh available. Then 2.5 MPK efficiency results in a distance covered of 200 miles, maybe a little less or more depending on external physical/environmental factors (temp, elevation, wind, weather, terrain, etc).

2.5 hours of drive time (or around 2 hours if only charging to ~75%, which as mentioned here is best way to save time when charging).

Rivian liking hoping this will push some folks back to the R1 if looking for road trip or towing capability…

 

[CharonPDX]

Here in the southwest, the major cities are hours apart from each other with almost nothing in between. Phoenix to Tucson round trip is 3.75 hours, PHX > Vegas is 5 hours, Tucson to San Diego is 6.5 hours, El Paso > ABQ is 4 hours. Salt Lake > Boise is 5 hours, Vegas > Reno is 7 hours (and was impossible in an EV until very recently) etc etc. There's absolutely nothing in between the major cities in many, many cases, and since superchargers locations aren't plentiful, you are really squeezed to leave with 100% battery and to try to eek out the most range you can because your choices of charging stops kinda requires you to stop at certain intervals where superchargers are, not what's most convenient, and not on a whim like you can with an ICE car.

And yet Phoenix to Tucson has charging in between. As does Phoenix to Vegas. As does Tucson to San Diego, as does…. etc.

Phoenix to Tucson is only ~110 miles. ~140 miles if you are going from the very North edge of Phoenix to the very South edge of Tucson. Should be a perfectly doable round trip even at 80 MPH in an R2. (ABRP routing of an R2 Performance from Deer Valley to Tucson Int'l and back: )

Vegas to Reno impossible until very recently? Define very recently.

And in the Southwest, you can't even stop "on a whim" in an ICE car, where there are some stretches of road with no gas stations for 80+ miles.

Try driving from Tonopah to Jackpot, it's basically exactly the same options to stop for fuel as it is to charge:

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