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That's quite fair. But many of the Rivian announcements are for PR value with little substance - how many autonomous vehicles is Rivian delivering to Uber this quarter? Next quarter?

No question VWAG needs software help, and they have a desperation deal in place with Rivian. Clever negotiating by RJ and the team, but the rubber hits the road when Rivian software ships on VW group vehicles - otherwise it's all one-time services revenue which provides non-dilutive capital and "progress" towards profitability but anyone worth their salt would reverse out for the purposes of evaluating Rivian's ongoing operations.

Rivian made a number of shrewd bets, including monetizing other IP like Also, while they could. Their marketing team and corp dev team deserves an A+. Now it's up to the non-EDV side of the business to prove there is a real future here. As a 2025 R1S owner, I'm hopeful. But cautious.
I'm pretty sure they seem like a company that's got their act together and are executing. Marketing is essential to a company in this situation, so I'd hardly their marketing efforts of little value. Mind you in journalism school I had to take a marketing class, and the professor flatly stated to a room full of journalists that marketing has little to do with telling the truth, because it's about creating an impression. Still it serves its purpose.
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No speculation on what the R4 will be?

A smaller sibling and still on the affordable variant range is all we know. Smaller than R3? A sedan in this day and age? My American brain cannot comprehend anything smaller. My imagination is out of capacity this morning. Someone throw me a bone.
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