New R2/R1S competitor models coming out in the next months (Tesla Model Y L, cheap model Y, Chevy Bolt)

[jabanks32 [Previously Banned]]

I am an R2 reservation holder but I am surprised there is not also more talk of the very tough time that the R2 releases.

The new Chevy Bolt will be announced which chevy claims is the cheapest EV in the U.S. market

Tesla will drop the price of all models when the tax incentive ends and also supposedly release the leaked ($30K) model Y which is a model Y with a metal roof.

And lastly, they have now produced an extended 3 row, 6-seat model Y with a "luxury" interior, real 3 rows of climate control vents (unlike R1S) and captains chair layout for $47K in china. Which is like $50-55K U.S.

you also have the equinox EV at $35K which is selling pretty well




I think the $45,000 price point for the unannounced R2 base model might be too high to generate the big numbers that rivian

If you look at the features found in the model Y L (adjustable thigh support seats, larger screen, etc.) I believe these will be refreshed into the model 3/Y in production so that the cheaper models will get the older screen and older seat designs

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Rivian's price point is fine. They can't make a profitable vehicle that fits their mission for anything below it, at least not yet.

 

[jabanks32 [Previously Banned]]

Rivian's price point is fine. They can't make a profitable vehicle that fits their mission for anything below it, at least not yet.

I think the problem is tesla has mentioned a while back they can make the model Y for less than $35K and that is all-in. GM supposedly has the cheapest batteries

One important issue with the R2 is we know nothing about efficiency. Efficiency is a big part of both charging speed and range with a small battery

 

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I think the problem is tesla has mentioned a while back they can make the model Y for less than $35K and that is all-in. GM supposedly has the cheapest batteries

One important issue with the R2 is we know nothing about efficiency. Efficiency is a big part of both charging speed and range with a small battery

Bolt isn't at all, and the Y isn't really an R2 competitor. Anyone who wants a vehicle that can handle a little bit of offroad adventuring won't consider the other two. The R2 is still going to be optionable with a much larger battery than the other two. Bolt is basically a city car, which is probably still not even an R3 competitor.

 

[COdogman]

IF Tesla tries to sell the 3 row Model Y in the US, it certainly won't be at the same price offered in China. China's EV market is hyper competitive so prices are low to attract buyers.

Most of the other vehicles on your list aren't off-road capable, or have other characteristics that make it an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[jabanks32 [Previously Banned]]

IF Tesla tries to sell the 3 row Model Y in the US, it certainly won't be at the same price offered in China. China's EV market is hyper competitive so prices are low to attract buyers.

Most of the other vehicles on your list aren't off-road capable, or have other characteristics that make it an apples to oranges comparison.

3 row model Y would be $55K which is probably the price of an optioned R2. This is based on the historical price difference of tesla vehicles

But you will have model Y (fully loaded) variants around $40K and the cheap model Y closer to $30-35K

Tesla and elon have historically lied about new models not coming to the U.S. because this sales quarter is very good for everyone. No reason to make people wait for a new car

If autonomy pans out, tesla will show negative quarters for many years to come. But these billions of dollars they invest will possibly shut others out as maintaining a driving solution that works in every corner of the U.S. is billions of dollars a year.

 

[Great Gatsby]

This got me thinking about the new Model Y Performance. No U.S price yet, but will likely top out around $60k, with the R2 Tri estimated to be around $65k. Looks like Tesla will probably be undercutting the competition for the foreseeable future. Depending on the details on the U.S. spec, the new MY performance could be very compelling. As someone who struggles to get comfortable in cars, the addition of the thigh support extender is actually a game changer IMO.

I will likely hold out to see what the R2 has in store, but I really do hope Rivian starts building out some hype soon if they are looking to release Q1 2026. Estimated range, HP, colors, unique features...something. Others keep saying the MY and Bolt aren't competitors due to them not being up to the off road challenge, but quite frankly, most buyers in this segment won't be either. If someone is looking for a compact EV SUV, they will likely consider these options, along with the others in the segment (Ioniq 5, EV6, Mach-E, etc).

IMO, this is good. Competition and options are healthy. I think Rivian will be just fine, would just really love to hear more about the R2 to keep impulsive folks like me more patient until the actual release lol.

 

[jabanks32 [Previously Banned]]

Bolt isn't at all, and the Y isn't really an R2 competitor. Anyone who wants a vehicle that can handle a little bit of offroad adventuring won't consider the other two. The R2 is still going to be optionable with a much larger battery than the other two. Bolt is basically a city car, which is probably still not even an R3 competitor.

It's a competitor if the price is significantly more.

If the R2 base does not hit the 300+ mile range mark for $45K, that might be a deciding factor for some

People are not buying the R2 for extreme off-roading prowess.

R2 is just another vehicle in the crowded line of cars/SUVs like equinox EV, bolt, mach-e, honda prologue, id.4, model Y, ioniq 5, ev6, etc.

 

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People are not buying the R2 for extreme off-roading prowess.

I suppose you also think Jeep doesn't sell Wranglers to people who don't venture off the pavement. Why does this forum seem to attract people who badmouth Rivian somehow on day 1 of them joining?

 

[COdogman]

3 row model Y would be $55K which is probably the price of an optioned R2

But you will have model Y (fully loaded) variants around $40K and the cheap model Y closer to $30-35K

How can you say with such confidence what price it "would be" when they:
1. Said they don't plan to sell it in the US.
2. the Chinese market is not the US market. I doubt most Americans would want to squeeze into the tiny 3rd row of a Model Y.

Not to mention that as long as Leon is part of Tesla, it is radioactive to a large percentage of US and European buyers. The refreshed Model Y and 3 have not generated the type of excitement they expected. The only "new" model Tesla has released in years is the CT and we know how that went

 

[jabanks32 [Previously Banned]]

1. Said they don't plan to sell it in the US.

2. the Chinese market is not the US market. I doubt most Americans would want to squeeze into the tiny 3rd row of a Model Y.

1. They never said that. They said it was coming end of next year which has always historically been a lie to not hurt sales of current models. Tesla no longer announces future models.

2. This 3rd row is not that small. The car is 7" longer and an average sized adult (5'9) can easily fit in the 3rd row. You can assume lower average for kids or higher proportion of females. This car not that bad.

The price differences between china and the U.S. are well known at this point.

And all 3 rows are heated, power folding, and the 2nd row is ventilated. You also get real 3 row air vents unlike R1S. For the price difference this a good deal for what it is.

 

[KRG]

I doubt the Model Y L nor its new luxury features will come to the US. China is a different market that values different things. They also have Chinese competitors that pack in tons of luxury and tech for peanuts. Tesla has no choice but to do the most there. We WILL get a cheaper Model Y, but it will be a basic car with an even cheaper interior. The R2 has a certain cache that a Model Y, Chevy Bolt or Equinox do not.

Rivian is a lifestyle brand. I think there will be a massive amount of people that want in at the R2's price point. For basic utilitarian transportation, the GM offerings or an upcoming cheaper Tesla are prob the best choices.

 

[jabanks32 [Previously Banned]]

I doubt the Model Y L nor its new luxury features will come to the US. China is a different market that values different things. They also have Chinese competitors that pack in tons of luxury and tech for peanuts. Tesla has no choice but to do the most there. We WILL get a cheaper Model Y, but it will be a basic car with an even cheaper interior. The R2 has a certain cache that a Model Y, Chevy Bolt or Equinox do not.

Rivian is a lifestyle brand. I think there will be a massive amount of people that want in at the R2's price point. For basic utilitarian transportation, the GM offerings or an upcoming cheaper Tesla are prob the best choices.

Basic model Y has already been leaked. It is the same interior minus the center console storage area. No cloth seats. Same vegan leather. No glass roof.

Tesla historically does not care about putting "luxury" features in a car if they are not expensive to implement

That's why tesla interiors are already vegan leather wrapped entirely throughout (whereas most cars in this range have plastic doors) because it is inexpensive

 

[KRG]

Also, I think Tesla has abandoned any hopes of maintaining a positive brand image. They used to be cool and aspirational. The Model S was a masterpiece. When the 3/Y launched, people were ravenous for them. Now, Elon is a lunatic that most people with money can no longer stand, Tesla is a trillion+ dollar company that can't seem to innovate at all, and continues to facelift the same products over and over again with zero excitement. Their major attempt at bringing some of the "cool" back, failed miserably and had the opposite effect. Now, people are buying the 3 and Y because they're affordable and solid, not because they're cool.

I think Rivian has an opportunity to recapture some of that magic and a lot of the people that have grown frustrated with Tesla.

 

[COdogman]

1. They never said that. They said it was coming end of next year which has always historically been a lie to not hurt sales of current models. Tesla no longer announces future models.

2. This 3rd row is not that small. The car is 7" longer and an average sized adult (5'9) can easily fit in the 3rd row. You can assume lower average for kids or higher proportion of females. This car not that bad.

The price differences between china and the U.S. are well known at this point.

And all 3 rows are heated, power folding, and the 2nd row is ventilated. You also get real 3 row air vents unlike R1S. For the price difference this a good deal for what it is.

Ok, so you can confirm that you don't have any information to suggest it IS coming to the US. But we do have this:

The Newest Tesla Model May Not Come To The U.S. Here's Why, According To Elon Musk
https://insideevs.com/news/769576/tesla-model-y-lwb-us/

You call it a "good deal" yet there is no evidence it will come to the US and even less evidence of what it would cost if it did. Yet you are discussing it as if this is a done deal

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