Reuters: US safety agency contacts Tesla on robotaxi issues seen in online videos

[pamalabama]

It’s really unnecessary, anyway.

Self driving saves lives. As long as you are not pushing the limits of what your system can do, it doesn't commit human errors.

90% of accidents are human error

it also is a convenience feature and good for EVs as it allows them to get more usage out of their battery before it dies due to calendar aging. It is actually an environmentally responsible thing to do if you are going to build a large battery

Buying an inefficient EV is bad enough, but letting the battery degrade while you're not using it to it's fullest is even worse

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[captainjp]

Self driving saves lives.

No.
ADAS may save lives, however self driving has not proven to do so

 

[pamalabama]

No.
ADAS may save lives, however self driving has not proven to do so

In the case of waymo this is already proven.


Even tesla self-driving death rate has proven that.

Cars may do stupid things, but "trying to kill you" is a serious accusation without basis.

There was a guy who had FSD dodge a shadow on the road. Into the lane of oncoming traffic. He tested 10 times. FSD only dodges the shadow if there are no cars in the oncoming lane

Which means the car doing something stupid is far from trying to kill you|

The injury rate is also much lower because self driving cars are good at one thing. Avoiding other cars and pedestrians. Even if the road law behaviors are not perfect.

If a self driving car sped through a school zone it would be safer than any human doing the same speed because the reaction time is better and it sees 360 degrees

And when you need to instigate accident avoidance, the car already knows where to move and where around the car has a clear path. Something a human doesn't know

 

[captainjp]

Cars may do stupid things, but "trying to kill you" is a serious accusation without basis.

The car not trying to kill you is not synonymous with saving your life.

 

[pamalabama]

The car not trying to kill you is not synonymous with saving your life.

Considering how many deaths there are for every billion miles, I would say that it is.

I don't know why people refuse to accept that 2 deaths over 4 billion miles with FSD is statistically very good

Look how many accidents you can see being avoided with FSD. Lots.

And when you see FSD accidents they are low speed events.

Even the latest version of FSD if you rolled it out unsupervised it would save lives. Would it cause a higher than average number of insurance claims? Probably

If these systems were phantom braking every single day, veering off the road, into other cars, pedestrians, etc. some of these things are unavoidable given how quickly they are happening.

But they aren't happening and the car balances decision making with running you off the road or into something else

 

[captainjp]

I don't know why people refuse to accept that 2 deaths over 4 billion miles with FSD is statistically very good

That’s great, but I don’t equate that to saving lives.

 

[pamalabama]

That’s great, but I don’t equate that to saving lives.

How so? Because those 38 other people who statistically didn't die?

Especially since you believe tesla is the most dangerous brand. More than 38 people should have died

Mobileye had a presentation where they said their long range radar could detect a baby lying on the interstate from 300m away. That is a freak event. Mobileye thinks they need safety a lot higher than a human, but their driving is very poor. It sounds like a deflection because they are so behind.

Waymo reduces airbag deployments by 90%

 

[captainjp]

Especially since you believe tesla is the most dangerous brand.

I don’t recall saying that.

Waymo reduces airbag deployments by 90%

Waymo doesn’t drive on highways, though. Correct? This inherently lowers risk of airbag deployment occurrences.

 

[pamalabama]

I don’t recall saying that.

Waymo doesn’t drive on highways, though. Correct? This inherently lowers risk of airbag deployment occurrences.

Airbag deployment or what tesla classifies as an accident is around 12mph. Not that fast

Waymo doesn't drive on interstates but waymos driving is good already. The perception is very good

Tesla drives on interstates and it's possible it will hit something but at low speed it would be more likely

or some freak event with something lying on the interstate when it is pitch black. Which even tesla avoids stuff already humans cannot see.

The problem is that if even 1 person dies across 4 billion miles you will have a problem.

There was 1 at-fault death from someone using FSD and that was dubious at best because it was before AI was running on highways. Everyone fixates on it even though the driver is at fault


And the at fault death was caused by an accident which would have been prevented by others using a self driving car in the first place.


you have this weird problem where eventually only human drivers will be causing accidents

human drivers will also be the only ones causing stop and go traffic on interstates

 

[captainjp]

Airbag deployment or what tesla classifies as an accident is around 12mph. Not that fast

Waymo doesn't drive on interstates but waymos driving is good already. The perception is very good

Tesla drives on interstates and it's possible it will hit something but at low speed it would be more likely

or some freak event with something lying on the interstate when it is pitch black. Which even tesla avoids stuff already humans cannot see.

The problem is that if even 1 person dies across 4 billion miles you will have a problem.

There was 1 at-fault death from someone using FSD and that was dubious at best because it was before AI was running on highways. Everyone fixates on it even though the driver is at fault


And the at fault death was caused by an accident which would have been prevented by others using a self driving car in the first place.


you have this weird problem where eventually only human drivers will be causing accidents

human drivers will also be the only ones causing stop and go traffic on interstates

I’m still not buying it. While I agree that Tesla’s ADAS is a beneficial safety feature that helps drivers avoid accidents, I think it’s a stretch to say that FSD saves lives.

 

[pamalabama]

I’m still not buying it. While I agree that Tesla’s ADAS is a beneficial safety feature that helps drivers avoid accidents, I think it’s a stretch to say that FSD saves lives.

Human deaths are caused mostly by mistakes. Cars drive with 100% effort and do not make human mistakes.

So FSD prevents some amount of death but they are not quantifiable as to what type since these deaths happen for mistakes or random reasons.

The problem with other ADAS systems (non-tesla) is there is not enough data to support whether they are even safe or not.

The fundamental difference between tesla and other ADAS systems is it detects stationary vehicles, vulnerable road users, drives when no lane markings are visible, and doesn't give up on the steepest possible curves

That means there is no place where the ADAS system would fail and give out if you are abusing it

 

[COdogman]

Tesla Robotaxi Safety Monitor Forced to Clamber Into Driver's Seat and Take Over, Passenger Says

https://futurism.com/tesla-robotaxi-safety-driver-forced-to-drive

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Tesla Robotaxi Safety Monitor Forced to Clamber Into Driver's Seat and Take Over, Passenger Says

https://futurism.com/tesla-robotaxi-safety-driver-forced-to-drive

I was going to post that one but they didn't actually show the safety driver moving over. At least not the video I saw.

 

[COdogman]

I was going to post that one but they didn't actually show the safety driver moving over. At least not the video I saw.

Yeah, I wish it was in the video too. I figured since it was still coming from a Tesla fan, the story can't be immediately dismissed by the faithful....

 

[ukyank]

I only care if the technology is safer than human drivers. The faster we can take humans out of the driving equation the better for everyone.

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