Tesla FSD drives down railroad tracks, gets hit by train

[Zoidz]

Don’t you see what happened here? The WFMZ Channel 69 News (definitely sounds made up) was paid to report this story by one of Elon’s haters/ competitors/ employees/ short sellers, who clearly used levitation to place the Tesla on the tracks, then ran away before any witnesses could ID them as Deep State operatives….

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[bigsky]

I recently had an opportunity to try FSD and thought I should so I had some sense of it. I had one critical disengagement where it wanted to turn right in front of a cyclist that had good odds of the cyclist hitting the vehicle. So in my anecdotal 30 miles of use, if I had let it, it could have had a serious accident while I have so far avoided any myself in 30 years of driving and over 500,000 miles.

Anecdotal data - so perhaps kind of useless - except this is not an uncommon edge case. Therefore, in my mind, it is easy to prove that the Tesla is NOT capable of FSD at this point. And until we have actual reliable data (not anecdotal) that proves it is safer than humans in ALL instances, it really shouldn't be allowed in the hands of everyday users, only test users who have been suitably trained.

All I can add is that I hope you have some sense of understanding and can somehow grasp and realize that Tesla FSD is supervised, not autonomous, self-driving, level 5, etc.
By your own conclusion, FSD is therefore unsafe, unreliable because it showed issues in your 30 miles of driving. Fortunately, and like everything else in life, normalization applies to make better sense of events and issues. You know, Statistics 101. Seen within that reasonable and expected and valid context, i.e., when normalized, FSD actually is indeed safer than human driving, much to the chagrin of Tesla haters .

Signed,
Messenger.

 

[captainjp]

I recently had an opportunity to try FSD and thought I should so I had some sense of it. I had one critical disengagement where it wanted to turn right in front of a cyclist that had good odds of the cyclist hitting the vehicle. So in my anecdotal 30 miles of use, if I had let it, it could have had a serious accident while I have so far avoided any myself in 30 years of driving and over 500,000 miles.

Anecdotal data - so perhaps kind of useless - except this is not an uncommon edge case. Therefore, in my mind, it is easy to prove that the Tesla is NOT capable of FSD at this point. And until we have actual reliable data (not anecdotal) that proves it is safer than humans in ALL instances, it really shouldn't be allowed in the hands of everyday users, only test users who have been suitably trained.

Hallelujah

 

[JM.]

Accidents per million miles, per BBG Intelligence:
• Tesla: 0.15
• Waymo: 1.16
• US average: 3.90

Tesla is now operating at 26x the safety of the US average And there’s a 77% chance they release unsupervised FSD before 2026

 

[bigsky]

I didn't mention anything about you exagerating, I mentioned "Elon's legacy" .... unless you are Elon.

You're making wild and illogical assumptions. My distrust of FSD in no way implies "that just because FSD is not level 5, it is therefore a catastrophe, a failure." I challenge you find a quote where I ever said anything like that. You won't.

A true Tesla fanbois you are. Yes, hrrmmm.

Nope, not a Tesla fanboy. Just calling balls and strikes and calling FSD what it is, an amazing engineering feat. A conclusion based on my countless experiences with it. You know, firsthand unlike many out there who just read bs online that feeds their prejudices and somehow makes them (they think) great expert authorities on the subject at hand. Tragically sad.

Now I leave you with this, which actually you are quite guilty of:
Inference
Noun
The act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former

 

[COdogman]

Accidents per million miles, per BBG Intelligence:
• Tesla: 0.15
• Waymo: 1.16
• US average: 3.90

Tesla is now operating at 26x the safety of the US average And there’s a 77% chance they release unsupervised FSD before 2026

Thanks for (again) sharing Tesla’s cherry-picked stats they love to talk about INSTEAD of releasing data that can be objectively verified.

It is really sad that you believe this means anything

 

[JM.]

Nope, not a Tesla fanboy. Just calling balls and strikes

I once posted a identical copies of my review/comparison between Tesla and Rivian, particularly the Cybertruck. I was called a Tesla fanboy by Rivian bigots, and a Rivian fanboy by Tesla bigots. I was eventually banned from the Cybertruck forum for posting facts.

 

[JM.]

It is really sad that you believe this means anything

It is really sad that you assume you know what I believe from a post where I specifically avoided interjecting an opinion.

Did you bother looking at where BBG got their data?

 

[COdogman]

Nope, not a Tesla fanboy. Just calling balls and strikes and calling FSD what it is, an amazing engineering feat. A conclusion based on my countless experiences with it. You know, firsthand unlike many out there who just read bs online that feeds their prejudices and somehow makes them (they think) great expert authorities on the subject at hand. Tragically sad.

Now I leave you with this, which actually you are quite guilty of:
Inference
Noun
The act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former

Says the person who keeps bragging about how you don’t “need” proof it’s safe because you (1 person) hasn’t yet been in an accident

 

[COdogman]

It is really sad that you assume you know what I believe from a post where I specifically avoided interjecting an opinion.

Did you bother looking at where BBG got their data?

Oh I don’t think that - I know what you believe from the false statements you continue making

Why don’t you please share where their data came from? Let me guess: self reported from drivers or cherry picked from Tesla?

 

[JM.]

Why don’t you please share where their data came from?

Because I don't actually give a shit, but you clearly do, go look.

The real point/fun of the Twitter post however is that you can make casino best on whether Muskrat is laying again or not.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I am so grateful to my alma matter for teaching me to think logically. Please forgive me for having difficulty understanding your logical fallacy stating that because Tesla has not released FSD data to one's liking, FSD is therefore dangerous, unsafe, etc.

Again, I know FSD firsthand; have used it for 5 years. FSD is by and large fundamentally and inherently safer than a human driver because of how it is designed--like a hopelessly ultra careful driver. I have my own data, plenty of it. I know the FSD shortcomings, have witnessed it do some arguably really stupid things. That percentage safety margin that it may be lacking, however big or small it may be, is why FSD tells you to pay attention for god's sake. And paying the necessary attention is still far, far less stressful than myself doing the driving. FSD is one amazing engineering feat.

I don't need studies or hard data because I have the best source of all, "trust me bro". I think you might want a refund on that degree.

 

[COdogman]

Because I don't actually give a shit, but you clearly do, go look.

The real point/fun of the Twitter post however is that you can make casino best on whether Muskrat is laying again or not.

So you posted that not caring if it’s accurate or not? Or where it came from? Super on-brand for you

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Why does every single discussion on here about FSD eventually end with bro science?

 

[Zoidz]

Now I leave you with this, which actually you are quite guilty of:
Inference
Noun
The act of passing from one proposition, statement, or judgment considered as true to another whose truth is believed to follow from that of the former

100% agree ... and I'll take that as a compliment to my ability to observe the visual facts and logically connect the dots . As opposed to the WAG conspiracy theories positing that this was all faked to tarnish Tesla's FSD reputation, or for insurance purposes, or to prove the earth is flat, etc.

"Inferences are steps in logical reasoning, moving from premises to logical consequences; etymologically, the word infer means to "carry forward". Inference is theoretically traditionally divided into deduction and induction, a distinction that in Europe dates at least to Aristotle (300s BC). "

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