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Thoughts on buying out my R1T i purchased on 12/31? Seems to me with the $7500 EV lease credit and $3000 in add’l incentives coupled with no money down (other than fees and Month 1) and with the higher MRF I would be saving more than $23,000 in interest. It’s actually cheaper than if I paid cash at Time 0.
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Possible. I would get a buyout quote then compare your numbers if you haven’t done so already the numbers usually tell you whether you should or shouldn’t do it. Of course, with the lease you’re protected against depreciation anything in excess of what’s printed in your contract falls on the bank and not you at maturity.

I’m not a financial advisor of course.
 

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Many have done this, see full details here



You absolutely will save more than if you had just bought it from the get go due to the $7500 EV credit. Chase should only require you pay off the principal so you will have only paid one month of interest.
 

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You absolutely will save more than if you had just bought it from the get go due to the $7500 EV credit. Chase should only require you pay off the principal so you will have only paid one month of interest.
Is that true because the lease includes an interest rate.
 
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My belief if bought out early there is no rent/interest on remaining pmts
 

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Is that true because the lease includes an interest rate.
according to the author of the Reddit post, the buyout only requires you to pay the remainder of the principal. The only interest you pay is what was included in the payments you’ve already made.
 
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Yes. I can confirm this. My theory is it is a no brainer to buyout immediately if you intend to keep beyond 36 months. Given incentives provided YE and current lease factor for no money down leases.
 
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Zero - Purchased new TriMax R1T at 13/31/24
FWIW - I also contend I could take the cash I was going to purchase with today and instead invest it in a diversified index fund with a avg return of 8-10% and be better off economically and financially with the protection of depreciation as a side advantage
 

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Yes. I can confirm this. My theory is it is a no brainer to buyout immediately if you intend to keep beyond 36 months. Given incentives provided YE and current lease factor for no money down leases.
Au contraire! If you are lucky enough to have the cash to buy the R1T outright, the investment lost by buying out early can amount to up to $10,000 if one assumes a 6.4% return on investments, a very low MF, and the earliest possible buyout. Even at current money market rates (~ 4%), you’re talking two-thirds of that. Also, if you have to finance your buyout of an incentivized lease of almost zero APR (effective based on MF), then you are losing money too. Plus leasing protects against significant depreciation, which is a real possibility for EV’s and the Rivians. The downside to leasing is you can’t make real modifications (since you don’t own the vehicle) and you pay if you go over lease mileage terms. I did this math on my 23 R1T and leased a vehicle for the first time in my 50 years of driving. If my Rivian actually is worth the lease residual value at the end of 36 months, I am thousands of dollars ahead by buying out at the end of the lease. CAVEAT: you need to do the math and figuring out the MF (money factor) in terms of an effective APR to really see this. A high MF will reduce these gains and eventually reverse them depending on one’s investment position. My effective APR was less than 1%.
 

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Thank you my friend however I provided in the thread the cost of the lease was almost 8.5% (.00352) not the low lease factor you had in 2023. Different math.
 

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Also worth checking on the sales tax implications — in some states, you will have to pay sales tax again, which can offset much of the potential gain. YMMV — please let us know what you decide. Best, MJP
 

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Also worth checking on the sales tax implications — in some states, you will have to pay sales tax again, which can offset much of the potential gain. YMMV — please let us know what you decide. Best, MJP
I doubt any state double taxes. Some states require full sales tax up front and others add a portion of the sales tax with each lease payment. In these latter states you are simply paying sales tax on the residual value plus the amount yet to be paid on purchase price if early buyout.
 
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Correct!!
 

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Thank you my friend however I provided in the thread the cost of the lease was almost 8.5% (.00352) not the low lease factor you had in 2023. Different math.
Agreed. Hence my caveat. But I was replying that there were reasons to consider a lease over buying, situation dependent.
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