New 21" tire option - Michelin Defender LTX M/S 2 275/55-21 @ $380

[bholliday5150]

I got 30000 out of my 21 OEMs. i could feel the slipping, espically if in conserve mode, so knew it was time. Down to 3/32 to 4/32 and could tell they were done. I had my tires rotated between every 5000 to 7000 miles either by Rivian or Discount tire. Got the OEM Pireillis around $500 a tire with pricematch and warranty from Discount Tire. I watched for a few months and waited till I found a great price on tires. If you have the OEM 21s, just watch them by taking them for regular rotations and once they reach 6/32 start shopping knowing they will be worn out by the next 5000 to 7500 rotation. Discount tire is great for the replacements and the rotations.

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[shap]

The Michelin tires last twice as long? Do we actually know that for a fact? Or are you just assuming that based on Michelin's marketing info? Do we have ANY evidence that the Michelin's tires will last longer than the Pirellis on our R1 vehicles?

Not trying to single you out @kurtlikevonnegut. Does ANYONE on this forum have evidence that any non-OEM Pirelli tire is going to last longer?

There is no non Pirelli tire for 21" so your question is not relevant .

However, these who moved from 21" to 20" tires and use Michelin LTX s2 reporting much better wearing.

 

[mabowden]

I'm wondering would the defender would last twice as long for this weight of the rivian. Only time will tell

Yeah, I doubt its going to last twice as long.

The weight will wear the tires faster, but from what I've heard, the regen is the main culprit for tire wear as Teslas (and other EVs) also wear tires much faster than their wear rating.

 

[mabowden]

I am 6xxx. 2023 model r1s. My wife is the main driver and she drives like a grandma

Drives like a grandma that does full throttle launches every day and doesn't tell you

 

[shap]

Yeah, I doubt its going to last twice as long.

The weight will wear the tires faster, but from what I've heard, the regen is the main culprit for tire wear as Teslas (and other EVs) also wear tires much faster than their wear rating.

I do not see how REGEN can be different from regular breaks - both use tires to slow down. You may argue that one-pedal driving is causing more wear, but extensive tire wearing happening on EVs without a pedal driving feature. I guess acceleration and weight are the main factors.

Anyway, being locked into just one vendor and one particular tire is financially wrong, you can get much cheaper tires for 20" that even if they last the same amount of miles are way cheaper upfront. LTX S2 seems to be wearing better than OEM and costs $292 vs $450 per tire.

Also, there is no winter tire for Rivian 21" exists in nature. So not a safe choice for many of us.
I was not aware of this when I bought R1T, otherwise, I would go with 20" for sure.

 

[mabowden]

There is no non Pirelli tire for 21" so your question is not relevant .

However, these who moved from 21" to 20" tires and use Michelin LTX s2 reporting much better wearing.

This entire thread is about a new 21" tire... Lol.

Not quite out yet, but its expected any day now. In the next month most likely.

 

[shap]

I got 30000 out of my 21 OEMs. i could feel the slipping, espically if in conserve mode, so knew it was time. Down to 3/32 to 4/32 and could tell they were done. I had my tires rotated between every 5000 to 7000 miles either by Rivian or Discount tire. Got the OEM Pireillis around $500 a tire with pricematch and warranty from Discount Tire. I watched for a few months and waited till I found a great price on tires. If you have the OEM 21s, just watch them by taking them for regular rotations and once they reach 6/32 start shopping knowing they will be worn out by the next 5000 to 7500 rotation. Discount tire is great for the replacements and the rotations.

The difference between OEM and Michelin LTX S2 20" is ~$200 per tire. $800 for a set. Set of 20" wheels with 48 offset MSW - $1300. So the difference is 500$ (and you can use a 21" wheel as a spare - that cost more than 500$, sell the rest 3), meaning that it is already worth it. I see no financial reason to replace OEM with OEM without any thread warranty.

 

[shap]

This entire thread is about a new 21" tire... Lol.

Not quite out yet, but its expected any day now. In the next month most likely.

Good point - and if Michelin will indeed release this tire, we all will have a huge benefit. Hoping for the good!

 

[mabowden]

The difference between OEM and Michelin LTX S2 20" is ~$200 per tire. $800 for a set. Set of 20" wheels with 48 offset MSW - $1300. So the difference is 500$ (and you can use a 21" wheel as a spare - that cost more than 500$, sell the rest 3), meaning that it is already worth it. I see no financial reason to replace OEM with OEM without any thread warranty.

Yeah- I'm heavily leaning towards buying the 20" atomic wheels with Michelin defenders and selling my 21" set. The cost for 5 with tires would be ~4500, but I'm guessing I can sell the 21's for 1500 or so...

 

[kurtlikevonnegut]

Yeah- I'm heavily leaning towards buying the 20" atomic wheels with Michelin defenders and selling my 21" set. The cost for 5 with tires would be ~4500, but I'm guessing I can sell the 21's for 1500 or so...

Pro-Tip: If you run 275/60/20s the diameter is nearly identical to the 21" OEM. That means you can save a few bucks by keeping 1 21" wheel/tire as your spare and only buy 4 new tires and wheels. This is what I'm doing.

 

[LL75]

The difference between OEM and Michelin LTX S2 20" is ~$200 per tire. $800 for a set. Set of 20" wheels with 48 offset MSW - $1300. So the difference is 500$ (and you can use a 21" wheel as a spare - that cost more than 500$, sell the rest 3), meaning that it is already worth it. I see no financial reason to replace OEM with OEM without any thread warranty.

Yeap. I was able to get msw with the defenders tires including tmps at tire rack for 2950 shipped.. My 21 pirellli is 2k already. Easy decision

 

[bholliday5150]

I have no issues w the Pirellis. Tires are fine. All heavy vehicles will use tires faster..plus EVs will use them faster anyway. My 2018 Honda Accord had bald tires at 36000 miles. Sure they were cheaper bit still around 1300 to 1500 for a set due to low profile. Tires and washer fluid is the only maintence on the T...ill take it anyway.

 

[bholliday5150]

I have no issues w the Pirellis. Tires are fine. All heavy vehicles will use tires faster..plus EVs will use them faster anyway. My 2018 Honda Accord had bald tires at 36000 miles. Sure they were cheaper bit still around 1300 to 1500 for a set due to low profile. Tires and washer fluid is the only maintence on the T...ill take it anyway.

And...the 500 per tire included install, taxes, and the Discount Tire warranty. Not a bad deal at all in my opinion. I knew going in that tires were gonna be expensive and limited for the time being and was prob gonna need a set at 30000 miles. Just saying

 

[AllInev]

There is no non Pirelli tire for 21" so your question is not relevant .

However, these who moved from 21" to 20" tires and use Michelin LTX s2 reporting much better wearing.

The upcoming Michelin's for the 21" wheels sounds interesting, but I'm not convinced they're going to wear (or perform) better than the Pirellis. I'm looking for actual evidence and data showing that non-Pirellis (any and ALL sizes, for the 20", 21", and 22" wheels) are doing any better than the Pirellis when it comes to tread wear.

I'm getting the sense folks on the forum who are driving EVs for the first time are blaming Pirelli for making poor tires instead of understanding that EVs (especially heavy high-performance ones) wear out tires more quickly.

 

[WorldComposting]

The upcoming Michelin's for the 21" wheels sounds interesting, but I'm not convinced they're going to wear (or perform) better than the Pirellis. I'm looking for actual evidence and data showing that non-Pirellis (any and ALL sizes, for the 20", 21", and 22" wheels) are doing any better than the Pirellis when it comes to tread wear.

I'm getting the sense folks on the forum who are driving EVs for the first time are blaming Pirelli for making poor tires instead of understanding that EVs (especially heavy high-performance ones) wear out tires more quickly.

This may be the case but for a most of my cars the first set of tires only lasted ~30k miles where as the next set lasted over 50k miles. A lot of car companies sell OE tires that have a bit less tread to get certain MPG numbers or last just long enough for a lease as they know they will need to replace the tires anyhow.

I only have 6,000 miles on my 21" tires but I plan on changing away from OE tires when the time comes and I'll be happy to get around 30K miles. My Subaru Ascent tires lasted about 28k before needing replacement.

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