CyberTruck is more than Stainless Steel...Tesla excels at Engineering in so many ways.

[RivianRunner]

While I can appreciate some of the advancements in engineering, there’s just so many LOL pieces of the vehicle I can’t look past. It’s like their engineers just quit about halfway through development.

• Tiny frunk
• Hilarious spare tire storage
• Windows that went from bullet proof to “rock resistant”
• it’s not a boat
• horrible lines of sight, especially out the back
• Material that will be impossible to keep looking nice
• To get even 80% of the promised range, you have to sacrifice 1/3 of your truck bed (and can’t have a spare tire)

To be clear, the Cybertruck was never billed by Elon or anyone else at Tesla as having bullet proof glass. That is something the media made up.

Also, Sandy Munro drove the Cyberbeast for a day and said the visibility to the outside is phenomenal, the best out there (except for a motorcycle or a convertible). I have no idea how accurate his observation is, but I have to think there is some basis for it, his wife drives a Rivian and Sandy is very familiar with it.

The promised range for the mass-market version, the dual motor, is 340 miles, 40 miles further than Tesla promised in 2019.

It's hard for me to understand how other EV enthusiasts can have so much hate for other EV's. The more the merrier!

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[rso544]

So, maybe the best video yet on the New Cybertruck. I was surprised how much faster it was in a drag race off the line than my R1T...it just goes. I do think most people either love or hate the exterior, but under that tough exterior is some of the best engineering. Tesla has some of the best engineers who are unrestrained, unlike legacy OEMs with their bureaucracy and siloed departments. Tesla has finally moved to 48 v architecture, something they have wanted to do for some time, steer by wire, 4 wheel steering, major casting, ie Giga Cast, and the list goes on to produce an overall amazing machine. Just like my Rivian, I waited 4 years to get one, I've had my reservation for a Cybertruck for 4 years now. Time will tell, but Cybertruck may be our next EV.

You didn’t mention the awesome windshield wiper which almost wipes the surface or the fact that it can almost go up a small hill that a RAV4 would torch. It’ll be nice when it kills many pedestrians because of its lack of needed sightlines. Enjoy trying to find an insurance company that would even dare to cover it. Can’t wait for the final showroom price of $159,000 for the only version they’ll spec.

 

[Stickboy46]

To be clear, the Cybertruck was never billed by Elon or anyone else at Tesla as having bullet proof glass. That is something the media made up.

Also, Sandy Munro drove the Cyberbeast for a day and said the visibility to the outside is phenomenal, the best out there (except for a motorcycle or a convertible). I have no idea how accurate his observation is, but I have to think there is some basis for it, his wife drives a Rivian and Sandy is very familiar with it.

The promised range for the mass-market version, the dual motor, is 340 miles, 40 miles further than Tesla promised in 2019.

It's hard for me to understand how other EV enthusiasts can have so much hate for other EV's. The more the merrier!

Its really hard to believe someone that says "Visibility is the best out there" .. when you literally can't see behind you at any point in time.

You absolutely can not take any of these pre-release videos seriously. They were either A. paid directly or B: paid indirectly (I.e. we will give you content that you can make money off of but don't bite the hand that feeds you)

 

[RivianRunner]

Tesla is also a silo - his name is Elon and those “unrestrained” engineers tried hard to talk him out of making this truck the way he wanted it. But Elon always gets what he wants, so here you are - his Blade Runner/ Cyberpunk 2077 fever dream EV.

The truth is, when you have a proven track record of out-sized successes, people tend to defer to your judgement. The old saying that is applicable here: "The proof is in the pudding". It's rational for those with less proven experience to defer to those with a proven track record.

You make it sound like Elon is a spoiled little brat that always gets what he wants. In actuality, he left a broken home as soon as he graduated from high school with almost no money in his pocket and labored at low wage jobs and applied for college scholarships. He is a self-made billionaire, due to demonstrating good business acumen repeatedly. These are facts that are uncontested by rational people.

The Cybertruck will become easier to manufacture over the next three to four years, and while it will not change in appearance (save but for very minor tweaks) it will become wildly popular. There's a reason for the saying "Don't bet against Elon Musk".

 

[RivianRunner]

I would also imagine that a collision repair on this is going to be anything but routine. It's one thing to precision-fit panels on an assembly line; quite another to hand-assemble.

Are you saying it will cost more than $30,000 to repair a small dent in the rear corner? Oh, wait, the video in post #1 shows the truck in reverse smashing into a stainless-steel refrigerator and coming out of the encounter unscathed!

 

[Throwdown]

Rivian was unveiled in late 2018, not 2017. As many like to repeatedly point out in this forum, Rivian is not Tesla. So why do you find it impressive that Tesla took longer to do something that Rivian did two years ago? And why do you act like Tesla invented the electric truck, rather than just being fifth (? or sixth?) in line to (almost) deliver one.

Here's what you said:

I replied to your statement because you seem oblivious to the fact that what you're praising Tesla for applies 100% to Rivian. And Rivian did it two years ago, so it's really not that impressive that Tesla has also done it. I'm not trash talking Tesla, I'm talking about how impressive RIVIAN is by comparison. On a RIVIAN forum.

Rivian never made a truck before either. Never made a CAR before, unlike Tesla. Never even made a spoon before, but despite all that it managed the amazing accomplishment of beating all the established automobile companies (including Tesla) to market with an electric truck. While all along many other companies trying to do the same thing crashed and burned.

Tesla tried hard to undermine Rivian by announcing the Cybertruck back in 2019 as being half the price, with almost twice the range, and shipping at the same time or even a little before the R1T. Leading a lot of people to decide to wait for the CT as Tesla makes superior products ... and they have paid their dues and have really learned manufacturing ... and can make a million trucks a year ... and Rivian doesn't know what they're getting themselves into with "manufacturing hell" ... and Rivian will never be able to compete with Tesla ... and Rivian will be bankrupt in two years. Blah blah blah. To be clear, Tesla with all its expertise KNEW when they announced the CT that they weren't going to shipping the CT in 2020. They weren't even close at that time. It was deliberate FUD to undermine a competitor.

And Ford as well announced an electric truck that was going to ship right around the same time as the R1T - there was a lot of speculation for a year about which one would actually ship first. The overwhelming consensus (simply read these forums) was that Ford may be slower out the gate but once it got moving it would be able to steamroll Rivian and crush them and underprice them and Rivian would be bankrupt in two years. And while this was a more reasonable expectation than relying on Tesla's statements about the CT, this didn't happen either. Rivian beat Ford to market and has outproduced Ford for the past 18 months.

So what I'm saying, on a Rivian forum, is that what Rivian has accomplished is amazing. What Tesla has done with the CT, two years later than Rivian and four years late by their own timeline, is differenent from what Rivian has done. That does not make it better, nor does it make it worse. A lot of Tesla's choices are questionable and it remains to be seen whether they are actually good choices and improvements or whether they are horrid mistakes. Realistically it will be a mix, but we won't know until there is some actual data and some actual CTs on the road not just 10 hand-selected vehicles.


Ahem. Tesla claimed that they were manufacturing geniuses and had learned from their hard work over many years how to build vehicles and how to build them Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger, and cheaper to boot. "Never made a truck" is a cop out. Their whole claim was that they knew what they were doing and could do it better than anyone. And could SPECIFICALLY do it better than Rivian - Elon himself said so. So for Tesla to take years LONGER than Rivian to bring a vehicle to market DESPITE their abilities, and for it NOT to be half the cost of the R1T with almost twice the range of the R1T is not something to brag about. Regardless of whether you think the CT is a good vehicle or bad, the CT falls far short of its own hype. And the problems that Tesla had in producing it and almost (but not yet) bringing it to market simply underscore how good a job Rivian has done.

Man you love to hear yourself type, I won't feed the troll anymore, night night

 

[COdogman]

The truth is, when you have a proven track record of out-sized successes, people tend to defer to your judgement. The old saying that is applicable here: "The proof is in the pudding". It's rational for those with less proven experience to defer to those with a proven track record.

You make it sound like Elon is a spoiled little brat that always gets what he wants. In actuality, he left a broken home as soon as he graduated from high school with almost no money in his pocket and labored at low wage jobs and applied for college scholarships. He is a self-made billionaire, due to demonstrating good business acumen repeatedly. These are facts that are uncontested by rational people.

The Cybertruck will become easier to manufacture over the next three to four years, and while it will not change in appearance (save but for very minor tweaks) it will become wildly popular. There's a reason for the saying "Don't bet against Elon Musk".

I didn’t say anything about Elon’s upbringing or his past, did I? And I could care less about it because he’s a spoiled little brat right now. His tantrums and micromanaging and mood swings are legend. Those are facts that are uncontested by rational people.

Were any of the people who said that about Musk investors in Twitter?

 

[Stickboy46]

The truth is, when you have a proven track record of out-sized successes, people tend to defer to your judgement. The old saying that is applicable here: "The proof is in the pudding". It's rational for those with less proven experience to defer to those with a proven track record.

You make it sound like Elon is a spoiled little brat that always gets what he wants. In actuality, he left a broken home as soon as he graduated from high school with almost no money in his pocket and labored at low wage jobs and applied for college scholarships. He is a self-made billionaire, due to demonstrating good business acumen repeatedly. These are facts that are uncontested by rational people.

The Cybertruck will become easier to manufacture over the next three to four years, and while it will not change in appearance (save but for very minor tweaks) it will become wildly popular. There's a reason for the saying "Don't bet against Elon Musk".

YIKES .. that's all i'm going to say here ...

 

[RivianRunner]

Its really hard to believe someone that says "Visibility is the best out there" .. when you literally can't see behind you at any point in time.

You absolutely can not take any of these pre-release videos seriously. They were either A. paid directly or B: paid indirectly (I.e. we will give you content that you can make money off of but don't bite the hand that feeds you)

I'm just saying, Sandy Munro isn't always 100% accurate but he generally calls it how he sees it. You can't buy him off. Maybe he was too enthusiastic about the visibility, but I have to think it must have been at least better than average, based upon how he brought it up on his own as one of the things that stood out to him. Remember, there is a rear camera that can be displayed full time on the largest center screen in the industry.

The rear camera has no delay like some legacy backup cameras, it is, for all intents and purposes, instantaneous. It sounded like he felt like he had superior situational awareness of the traffic around him, whether the rear camera was part of that or not, I don't know.

 

[RivianRunner]

I didn’t say anything about Elon’s upbringing or his past, did I? And I could care less about it because he’s a spoiled little brat right now. His tantrums and micromanaging and mood swings are legend. Those are facts that are uncontested by rational people.

Were any of the people who said that about Musk investors in Twitter?

No, you are a confirmed Musk hater, about as far from rational as one can get. Let's agree to drop this, I just wanted to provide some balance to your anti-Musk comments.

 

[Stickboy46]

I'm just saying, Sandy Munro isn't always 100% accurate but he generally calls it how he sees it. You can't buy him off. Maybe he was too enthusiastic about the visibility, but I have to think it must have been at least better than average, based upon how he brought it up on his own as one of the things that stood out to him. Remember, there is a rear camera that can be displayed full time on the largest center screen in the industry.

The rear camera has no delay like some legacy backup cameras, it is, for all intents and purposes, instantaneous. It sounded like he felt like he had superior situational awareness of the traffic around him, whether the rear camera was part of that or not, I don't know.

There is not a single person in the world that "you can't buy off".

I agree he's generally pretty good. But to act like he's not at all concerned about losing access to his bread and butter is naïve. If he's counting a rear camera that you have to look down to see as better visibility than being able to glance in a mirror that is in the line of view going forward .. he's lost all credibility there.

 

[RivianRunner]

I find it funny that they added a front camera finally and it still doesn't have a 360/birds-eye view system. Tesla gonna Tesla.

Why do you think there is no bird's eye view? Even my 2018 Model 3 was updated with a bird's eye view several months ago, just put the car in gear. That said, I don't find bird's eye views all that useful compared to the side mirrors and looking out the windows. It's more of a gimmick.

 

[tylerdurden03]

Can’t get over the looks. Terrible in my opinion.

 

[COdogman]

No, you are a confirmed Musk hater, about as far from rational as one can get. Let's agree to drop this, I just wanted to provide some balance to your anti-Musk comments.

Well he definitely needed your help. He’s too busy agreeing with holocaust deniers on Twitter to defend himself here. Certainly no reasons at all why “rational” people might have a problem with him.

 

[RivianRunner]

There is not a single person in the world that "you can't buy off".

You can't buy me off and I know I am not alone in this! My honesty and integrity have never been for sale, at any price. I find it very cynical that you believe there are no people with integrity anymore.

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