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Thank you for the correction. I'm sorry it wasn't what you were hoping for. I think everyone can understand that prices go up over 4 years, but Tesla could have handled this better for sure. As you said, it would have been nice if the truck was announced with specs and features that made it feel like the increase was justified.

As for Rivian, some who live too far from service centers have started receiving this email giving them the option to take delivery. I hope you get one so you can decide for yourself!

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...ivery-outside-of-service-center-radius.21702/
Thank you for the correction. I'm sorry it wasn't what you were hoping for. I think everyone can understand that prices go up over 4 years, but Tesla could have handled this better for sure. As you said, it would have been nice if the truck was announced with specs and features that made it feel like the increase was justified.

As for Rivian, some who live too far from service centers have started receiving this email giving them the option to take delivery. I hope you get one so you can decide for yourself!

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...ivery-outside-of-service-center-radius.21702/
Actually got this email but was so mad when I saw the “we are unable to give you a delivery window” that I didn’t even read the rest. Think I will be contacting Rivian on Monday to set up my delivery. Thank you for pointing this out. Just sealed the deal for the Rivian.
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So, maybe the best video yet on the New Cybertruck. I was surprised how much faster it was in a drag race off the line than my R1T...it just goes. I do think most people either love or hate the exterior, but under that tough exterior is some of the best engineering. Tesla has some of the best engineers who are unrestrained, unlike legacy OEMs with their bureaucracy and siloed departments. Tesla has finally moved to 48 v architecture, something they have wanted to do for some time, steer by wire, 4 wheel steering, major casting, ie Giga Cast, and the list goes on to produce an overall amazing machine. Just like my Rivian, I waited 4 years to get one, I've had my reservation for a Cybertruck for 4 years now. Time will tell, but Cybertruck may be our next EV.

I was surprised as well. I would have considered it, if not for Space Karen. I also loved 4 wheel steering and 48v. I do think Tesla has muscle and can take risk, which Rivian as a new company don’t want to do or cannot do and wants to drive down complexity.

I am just more than happy with my R1S. The interior of CT looks bleak though and also don’t like all same (tin can) colors running around. No way to make it to your taste. I maybe (am) colored by space Karen though. You do you?
 

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Rear steering:
GM, Mercedes, Porsche, Honda, BMW. Too many to list. The 1987 Honda Prelude had rear steering. My current Mercedes has 11 degrees of rear steering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vehicles_with_four-wheel_steering


48V Systems:
Too many to list. Basically any vehicle with a mild hybrid system uses 48V architecture.

Steer by wire:
This is the only one that is relatively new. Toyota and Lexus use it in their EVs. Infinite (Nissan) has had steer by wire for almost 10 years. Many other OEM have announced steer by wire on products being released in the next 12-18 months.
While many hybrids use 48v systems I am pretty sure none use it exclusively and still have parts running on 12v too.
 

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While many hybrids use 48v systems I am pretty sure none use it exclusively and still have parts running on 12v too.
You are correct. He was confusing the HV system with the LV system.

Tesla is the first to move to a 48v LV system; pretty much curing the 12v woes we see in vehicles like the R1. Please, Rivian, copy this system ASAP.
 

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As an engineer, I would say the Gigapress frame casting is an engineering marvel. The rest of the CT? There are zero engineering marvels. Name one - ALL of this has been done in other vehicles in the past, including the "engineering marvel" know as the giant windshield wiper. Mercedes, bus and truck companies have been doing single/large wipers the right way for years.
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Full 48v system
Steer by wire
Battery cells made and developed in house
Bigger than an R1t but lighter
More torsional rigidity than a 911
Faster than an R1t with the same horsepower
The side view mirrors can be removed and the truck still functions normally

I don't like it but I respect it, I'm sure there is more
 

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What specifically about it is an “engineering marvel”?

Why does it have 30% less range for 30% much more pricing than was promoted originally?

Unless of course you want to spring for a $16,000 “range extender” that needs to be permanently installed in the bed, which also happens to be where your spare tire needs to sit :CWL: Bye bye cargo space…

Why did it go from bragging about having steel balls thrown at the windows to a softball being barely thrown at it ?

It was promoted as being able to cross “seas that aren’t too choppy”. Where was that yesterday?

Can it actually off road on the types of trails other trucks tackle? Instead of videos of it towing a Porsche 911 while “racing” the slowest 911 or a stupid tractor pull competition maybe show people something real?

You don’t know anything about crash ratings or real world range or charging info. So what exactly makes it a “marvel”? It’s entirely underwhelming compared to what was promised.

I’m glad there are more options for EV buyers, but this belief by Tesla fans that everything Elon does is years ahead of everyone else is just laughable at this point. He promised one thing and is delivering something (4 years later) not even close to it. It’s another EV truck. Nothing about it is revolutionary other than how weird it looks.
See My reply to zoidz, all things I listed put into one vehicle, Designed and built with all new manufacturing techniques in 4 years. I don't care about the price or the range promises that they didn't keep with Because I would never buy one. As a person who works for a high end manufacturer this thing Is far and away more complicated to make than anything else out there
 

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I have a Plaid Model S, and underscore your comment.

Goodness, I have a one month old Model 3 LS and the real world range of 333 is more like 260.
 

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Full 48v system
Steer by wire
Battery cells made and developed in house
Bigger than an R1t but lighter
More torsional rigidity than a 911
Faster than an R1t with the same horsepower
The side view mirrors can be removed and the truck still functions normally

I don't like it but I respect it, I'm sure there is more
You mostly cited specs, not marvels. Every one of those have been done before. So where is the engineering marvel?

Full 48v system - Volvo and others been there done that

Steer by wire - Lexus, Toyota, even John Deere, Case, New Holland farm equipment been there done that

Battery cells made and developed in house - How is this an engineering marvel? They buy battery fabrication tech/machines from other companies such as Samsung to build batteries, OMG a marvel!

Bigger than an R1t but lighter - CyberBeast 6843 lbs, R1T 7148 lbs. LOL - three motors vs four motors make the weight difference - how is that an engineering marvel for Tesla?

More torsional rigidity than a 911 - A Mack Truck has more torsional rigidity than a 911 - so what?

Faster than an R1t with the same horsepower - It's simple physics. Weight, hp, torque, gearing. How is this an engineering marvel?

The side view mirrors can be removed and the truck still functions normally - This is an engineering marvel? Jeep has quick release mirrors and amazingly, the Jeep still operates correctly. You a comedian or what?

So, I repeat, what are the engineering marvels that CT has created?
 
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You mostly cited specs, not marvels. Every one of those have been done before. So where is the engineering marvel?

Full 48v system - Volvo and others been there done that

Steer by wire - Lexus, Toyota, even John Deere, Case, New Holland farm equipment been there done that

Battery cells made and developed in house - How is this an engineering marvel? They buy battery fabrication tech/machines from other companies such as Samsung to build batteries, OMG a marvel!

Bigger than an R1t but lighter - CyberBeast 6843 lbs, R1T 7148 lbs. LOL - three motors vs four motors make the weight difference - how is that an engineering marvel for Tesla?

More torsional rigidity than a 911 - A Mack Truck has more torsional rigidity than a 911 - so what?

Faster than an R1t with the same horsepower - It's simple physics. Weight, hp, torque, gearing. How is this an engineering marvel?

The side view mirrors can be removed and the truck still functions normally - This is an engineering marvel? You a comedian or what?

So, I repeat, what are the engineering marvels that CT has created?
Tesla is the first production vehicle to use a 48v LV system.

That alone is a bigger deal then most realize. I know with the weak 12v system in my R1 that I am looking at the CT with some LV envy...
 

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You mostly cited specs, not marvels. Every one of those have been done before. So where is the engineering marvel?

Full 48v system - Volvo and others been there done that

Steer by wire - Lexus, Toyota, even John Deere, Case, New Holland farm equipment been there done that

Battery cells made and developed in house - How is this an engineering marvel? They buy battery fabrication tech/machines from other companies such as Samsung to build batteries, OMG a marvel!

Bigger than an R1t but lighter - CyberBeast 6843 lbs, R1T 7148 lbs. LOL - three motors vs four motors make the weight difference - how is that an engineering marvel for Tesla?

More torsional rigidity than a 911 - A Mack Truck has more torsional rigidity than a 911 - so what?

Faster than an R1t with the same horsepower - It's simple physics. Weight, hp, torque, gearing. How is this an engineering marvel?

The side view mirrors can be removed and the truck still functions normally - This is an engineering marvel? Jeep has quick release mirrors and amazingly, the Jeep still operates correctly. You a comedian or what?

So, I repeat, what are the engineering marvels that CT has created?
All the things i stated in one vehicle, with the design and production process.
But no you are correct, there are so many vehicles out there that are doing all the same things as this vehicle after being built from the ground up unlike any other truck ever built, its not an engineering marvel.
 
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Unlike Rivian, Tesla way over states the range of its vehicles. Open Class action law suit on this issue, actually.
I would like to see the real world range of this cybertruck since it weighted at 6600 lbs.
 

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I would like to see the real world range of this cybertruck since it weighted at 6600 lbs.
On a good day, figure 70%. That’s what I see on my Model S and MY
 

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All the things i stated in one vehicle, witht he design and production process
That's not an engineering marvel in my book. Yes, it's challenging, it's hard work, it's problem solving, it's time consuming - but it's still gluing together existing, well developed tech that others created.

To be an engineering marvel, in my book it has to be new and groundbreaking achievements and solutions - not solving problems related to designing and building a mashup of existing tech/products. The Hadron Collider, a lot of what Space X has done, the Space Shuttle, the ISS, Hubbel, Skylab, the Venice Tide Barriers, the Chunnel, the Panama Canal. Sorry, CT isn't even close to these.
 

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That's not an engineering marvel in my book. Yes, it's challenging, it's hard work, it's problem solving, it's time consuming - but it's still gluing together existing, well developed tech that others created.

To be an engineering marvel, in my book it has to be new and groundbreaking achievements and solutions - not solving problems related to designing and building a mashup of existing tech/products. The Hadron Collider, a lot of what Space X has done, the Space Shuttle, the ISS, Hubbel, Skylab, the Venice Tide Barriers, the Chunnel, the Panama Canal. Sorry, CT isn't even close to these.
You missed in your book where a company who never made a truck made and built one in short order that has better specs as a truck than anything else out there.
None of those engineering marvels you stated are vehicles that you can buy or drive.
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