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As long as it allows you to reliably voice-control vehicle functions without needing a Connect+ subscription, I'll be happy.
 

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I think (and hope) that the answer is "not really." They were supposed to be integrating Gemini - which is awesome IMO. Let's hope they have a version of Gemini 3.0 with a nice little added module to better control specific vehicle stuff hardware. If they have a separate little baby LLM not connected to my existing Gemini account, that will suck sufficiently to make me want to change vehicles. Alexa is truly awful but connected to the family Alexa account so at least it can control the garages and lights and so forth. It sucks but not nearly as bad as a baby Rivian assistant would suck.
 

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I think (and hope) that the answer is "not really." They were supposed to be integrating Gemini - which is awesome IMO. Let's hope they have a version of Gemini 3.0 with a nice little added module to better control specific vehicle stuff hardware. If they have a separate little baby LLM not connected to my existing Gemini account, that will suck sufficiently to make me want to change vehicles. Alexa is truly awful but connected to the family Alexa account so at least it can control the garages and lights and so forth. It sucks but not nearly as bad as a baby Rivian assistant would suck.
This! I thought they were integrating gemini and ditching alexa. Why go through all this trouble if you are going to deploy your own? Unless your own is going to take YEARS until operational?
 

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I think (and hope) that the answer is "not really." They were supposed to be integrating Gemini - which is awesome IMO. Let's hope they have a version of Gemini 3.0 with a nice little added module to better control specific vehicle stuff hardware. If they have a separate little baby LLM not connected to my existing Gemini account, that will suck sufficiently to make me want to change vehicles. Alexa is truly awful but connected to the family Alexa account so at least it can control the garages and lights and so forth. It sucks but not nearly as bad as a baby Rivian assistant would suck.
I have to disagree. One major concern people (at least should) have is the privacy of their AI communications. If Rivian controls the majority of your vehicle-related AI interaction then at least we don’t have to worry about Google changing their mind about data sharing and sharing your requests for directions to the back parking lot the Chicken Ranch with their “trusted partners”. It’d be a lot easier to pressure Rivian to keep private things private than becoming dependent on third parties if you don’t absolutely have to.
 

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Tesla uses grok for integration and it currently only controls navigation. Supports any language but requires premium connectivity.

Gemini would be even better as it would have real-time integration to google. I don't know how often grok is updated with google information. Tesla has more real-time integration of news from X which does not help control the car.

These AI assistants are extremely fast, they know the details about the places they are navigating to, i.e. "I would like to use the restroom." Theycan understand nonspecific instructions like, "I want to go the mall and then bowling afterwards" or they can identify destinations you don't know the name based on amenities.

In theory if you have multiple mics in every seat you can say something like "turn on my seat heater" and it will know who is talking based on the seat microphone and the cabin radar input.



 
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This! I thought they were integrating gemini and ditching alexa. Why go through all this trouble if you are going to deploy your own? Unless your own is going to take YEARS until operational?
From everything I've seen in my own Rivian first hand, in September, it is running off Gemini LLM and has text functionality etc.

I wasn't able to use it, but I was able to see the functions it would allow through a glitch at the time. Looked promising. I'd assume it's in this update or the next.
 

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I have to disagree. One major concern people (at least should) have is the privacy of their AI communications. If Rivian controls the majority of your vehicle-related AI interaction then at least we don’t have to worry about Google changing their mind about data sharing and sharing your requests for directions to the back parking lot the Chicken Ranch with their “trusted partners”. It’d be a lot easier to pressure Rivian to keep private things private than becoming dependent on third parties if you don’t absolutely have to.
Obviously everyone has to decide for themselves. In my experience, when you accept third tier software in the name of privacy you get garbage like Siri. (Which means eventually you have to pay a few billion to license Gemini anyway.) I am personally past the illusion of privacy being possible and I want the benefits of an AI agent that knows me. BUT I respect and honor people who want to keep their data private. I would hope that Rivian would have a real local Gemini integration and give us the option to connect to our full Gemini account or not.
 

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I think all of us need to differentiate between the model and an implementation of that model. Hopefully Rivian have implemented an abstraction layer round the llm provider so have some agility there (we actually almost certainly have confirmation of this from the dev screens that leaked some time ago ’default_provider.yaml’) rather than integrate with googles implementation of the Gemini assistant at its base.

This means they don’t need to go through the expense and effort of developing a model (they cannot credibly afford to do this) but instead get to focus on developing around one. Though mcp gets a lot of stick, if I were to be told to do this on a short timeframe, I’d probably have some folk working on exposing all in car functions via MCP, then using one of the many frameworks to produce an agent that interacts with this MCP sever alongside the LLM model and provider of choice which would be defined via configuration (eg supermodel from supercloud). This provides technical flexibility whist enabling the right business model and decisions to be made in parallel.
 
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Tesla uses grok for integration and it currently only controls navigation. Supports any language but requires premium connectivity.

Gemini would be even better as it would have real-time integration to google. I don't know how often grok is updated with google information. Tesla has more real-time integration of news from X which does not help control the car.

These AI assistants are extremely fast, they know the details about the places they are navigating to, i.e. "I would like to use the restroom." Theycan understand nonspecific instructions like, "I want to go the mall and then bowling afterwards" or they can identify destinations you don't know the name based on amenities.

In theory if you have multiple mics in every seat you can say something like "turn on my seat heater" and it will know who is talking based on the seat microphone and the cabin radar input.



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Personally, I don't want any AI/FSD in my vehicles. I buy & drive them because I enjoy the driving experience. If I don't want to drive, I'll get an Uber, take the Metro, or fly, depending on the destination.

I do find it a bit ironic, however, that I never use Siri/Alexa/whatever, given that I grew up on Star Trek and people talking to computers.
 

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I do find it a bit ironic, however, that I never use Siri/Alexa/whatever, given that I grew up on Star Trek and people talking to computers.
Same category, I too find it often more effort to control a device by voice rather than just doing so via a physical interface, but that could just be down to how we have grown up. As it becomes more common place, and children adapt to it, physical interfaces will become the awkward control type.


Also, ever tried changing Alexa's wake word to "Computer" its cool because you feel a bit like Picard walking into a room, but somewhat tedious saying "Computer" constantly.
 

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Also, ever tried changing Alexa's wake word to "Computer" its cool because you feel a bit like Picard walking into a room, but somewhat tedious saying "Computer" constantly.
Fun fact...the voice actor for the computer in almost all of the Star Trek series/movies was the same actor who played Troi's mother. They had an episode early on where she was arguing w/ the computer...it was pretty funny.

She was also Nurse Chapel in the original series.
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