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Back in April we rolled out of Si Valley to Texas for the total solar eclipse in our R1T DM Perf Max AT, with a few days in Moab on the way back for fun, and we logged every step with Electrafi...are you wishing for a geeky spreadsheet_with_a_webcam video analyzing every charge and discharge across a multi-day epic roadtrip?? Well today is your day:




Just the Facts for the TLDR crowd:
4520.1 miles driven
2,362.01 kWh used when driving
225.72 miles longest driving segment
3:28 duration of longest driving segment
90.1% SOC used in longest driving segment
2:10 average time between charges on Roadtrip days
140 average miles between charges on Roadtrip days
56% average SOC used between charges on Roadtrip days
40.55 minutes average charge time on Roadtrip days
18% Roadtrip time spent charging
66.6% overall EPA vs. Real range efficiency when driving
2589.6 kWh of electrons added from charging
$904.56 total charging cost (Tesla/EA/RAN)
$.35 average cost per kwh
$.38 average cost per kwh when paying (excluding free L1/L2)

A couple more points that didn't make the cut in the video...on the first day of the trip we pushed the SOC below 5% and had a battery system fault put the truck into safe mode, wouldn't charge faster than 10kw until we did a full reboot. A call to service reassured us the truck was safe to drive, and we made an emergency visit to the Austin TX Rivian service center to have that confirmed. This was an additional reason we were being quite conservative, arriving at chargers with 15-25% SOC, because we were treating the bottom 10% as an absolute safety buffer. Leveraging another 10% SOC would have cut a good ~5 minutes off our average stop time, but it is what it is...

One of the true keys that made the trip so stress free is the Rivian's ability to estimate the spare range when reaching a destination accurately. We could drive 10 over the limit and have that number slowly decrease, or drive 5 over the limit and have it slowly increase, no matter what the elevation change or changing speed limits. At one charge stop (the legendary Green River EA station!) we were chatting with a couple in a BMW i4 who had also driven from Oregon to Texas for the eclipse, and their GOM was absolutely all over the place making for much anxiety and much more rigorous and ridged route planning with ABRP.

The biggest Rivian inaccuracies OTOH, was charging time and time zones handling. Rivian is pretty optimistic about how long it'll take to charge to a given SOC, and when you have a 700+ mile day with many charging stops those errors all stack up into a significant estimated arrival time miss. Also, the navigation has no concept of time zones, it just shows them all with the current time zone you're in. So while the total driving duration of the day may be reasonably correct, the arrival time at way points along the route will be off by an hour if your route spans time zones. We've mentioned these two things and many others to Wassym and he was taking notes, so fingers crossed we see improvements in future software updates.

Lastly for fun here's a more focused look on the Moab part of our journey, plotting out what our truck's true off-road trail range is:

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One of the true keys that made the trip so stress free is the Rivian's ability to estimate the spare range when reaching a destination accurately.
That is one feature I have noticed on road trips that is almost scary for accuracy. No matter what I think, high or low, the Rivian estimate is within a few miles. The algorithms must be factoring elevation and previous history.
 

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That is one feature I have noticed on road trips that is almost scary for accuracy. No matter what I think, high or low, the Rivian estimate is within a few miles. The algorithms must be factoring elevation and previous history.
That is good to hear. I wish the navigation also showed the estimated battery percentage on arrival. The estimated range remaining can't predict where you're going after that or how you'll drive to get there, so I'd rather just see a percentage - or at least have the option to see either/both.
 

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Back in April we rolled out of Si Valley to Texas for the total solar eclipse in our R1T DM Perf Max AT, with a few days in Moab on the way back for fun, and we logged every step with Electrafi...are you wishing for a geeky spreadsheet_with_a_webcam video analyzing every charge and discharge across a multi-day epic roadtrip?? Well today is your day:




Just the Facts for the TLDR crowd:
4520.1 miles driven
2,362.01 kWh used when driving
225.72 miles longest driving segment
3:28 duration of longest driving segment
90.1% SOC used in longest driving segment
2:10 average time between charges on Roadtrip days
140 average miles between charges on Roadtrip days
56% average SOC used between charges on Roadtrip days
40.55 minutes average charge time on Roadtrip days
18% Roadtrip time spent charging
66.6% overall EPA vs. Real range efficiency when driving
2589.6 kWh of electrons added from charging
$904.56 total charging cost (Tesla/EA/RAN)
$.35 average cost per kwh
$.38 average cost per kwh when paying (excluding free L1/L2)

A couple more points that didn't make the cut in the video...on the first day of the trip we pushed the SOC below 5% and had a battery system fault put the truck into safe mode, wouldn't charge faster than 10kw until we did a full reboot. A call to service reassured us the truck was safe to drive, and we made an emergency visit to the Austin TX Rivian service center to have that confirmed. This was an additional reason we were being quite conservative, arriving at chargers with 15-25% SOC, because we were treating the bottom 10% as an absolute safety buffer. Leveraging another 10% SOC would have cut a good ~5 minutes off our average stop time, but it is what it is...

One of the true keys that made the trip so stress free is the Rivian's ability to estimate the spare range when reaching a destination accurately. We could drive 10 over the limit and have that number slowly decrease, or drive 5 over the limit and have it slowly increase, no matter what the elevation change or changing speed limits. At one charge stop (the legendary Green River EA station!) we were chatting with a couple in a BMW i4 who had also driven from Oregon to Texas for the eclipse, and their GOM was absolutely all over the place making for much anxiety and much more rigorous and ridged route planning with ABRP.

The biggest Rivian inaccuracies OTOH, was charging time and time zones handling. Rivian is pretty optimistic about how long it'll take to charge to a given SOC, and when you have a 700+ mile day with many charging stops those errors all stack up into a significant estimated arrival time miss. Also, the navigation has no concept of time zones, it just shows them all with the current time zone you're in. So while the total driving duration of the day may be reasonably correct, the arrival time at way points along the route will be off by an hour if your route spans time zones. We've mentioned these two things and many others to Wassym and he was taking notes, so fingers crossed we see improvements in future software updates.

Lastly for fun here's a more focused look on the Moab part of our journey, plotting out what our truck's true off-road trail range is:

Thanks for the details. A few questions:
Did you compare the charger kWh costs, and have a Tesla or EA membership?
Have a Tesla adapter or use magic docks?
$904.56 total charging cost (Tesla/EA/RAN)
$.35 average cost per kwh
 

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Thanks for the details. A few questions:
Did you compare the charger kWh costs, and have a Tesla or EA membership?
Have a Tesla adapter or use magic docks?
$904.56 total charging cost (Tesla/EA/RAN)
$.35 average cost per kwh
Majority of our charging stops were Tesla /w A2Z adapter, with I think the only Magic Dock being the one in Moab. Most the rest were EA, with a few RAN stops as well.

Tesla and EA were membership pricing, though that $.35/kwh number is all charging (including free L1 & L2). $.38/kwh was the average price we paid when paying for charging.
 

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$904 for charging? Yikes
That is not bad. It is still a little cheaper than the cost per mile for the '22 tahoe i had, but i had to pay that for EVERY MILE driven, not just when road tripping.

For "every day" driving I probably average $0.03 per kwh between the $0.11 per kwh at home and the free charging at work.
 
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Yeah as I mentioned in the video, $.35/kwh is either rather good or rather bad depending on what your home rate is. Here in Silicon Valley, $.35 is what we pay for 'low' cost power from midnight to 3PM, and so getting that same combined rate from DC fast charging over the trip was excellent.
 

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In the free republic of FL, I pay $0.11/kwh, and I have solar panel's, so technically free, if you don’t count the price I paid for solar panels. Local drive, nothing can’t beat electric power vehicles. On road trip, it not so great, you can do better on a diesel truck , or F150 3.5-Liter EcoBoost® 24 MPG Hwy
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