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Bashing on Tesla/Elon, it's the same. I was replying to the person who said that the threads get shut down at the mention of Elon. The thread is still not "vs" anything or educational at all. Selectively nit-picking my entire post to fit some convoluted agenda is weird bro. The irony is that...

I can only speak for myself, and since you replied to a reply to me, let me say this... I have never owned a Tesla, nor do I care to. Personally, I don't like the way they look. However, I, and many others here, feel that bashing on people like Elon or Tesla is just weird and has no place...

Oh yes, I see the vs (comparison) to Rivian now with the detailed OP explaining the engineering behind the failure with pictures and technical data. I'm glad to know that the aero covers that I don't have on my 22's won't fly off because Rivian engineered them better. I will upvote for the...

He might be. I heard that his Neuralink chip reads these forums for him.

Imagine the desire to create a thread on Telsa while on a Rivian forum. The amount of rent that gets paid to Elon because he lives in so many people's heads is astounding. Personally, I think the CT is hideous, but for those 1.9 million reservation holders - more power to them.

I could see a tripmeter being something that could be beneficial, which is why I only quoted the odometer part of his "need". Personally, I don't think I've ever used a tripmeter before in my life nor have I looked down at my odometer counting the miles before a trailhead or exit. I find that...

You asked me to prove my numbers to you so I did, using a quote from the article I linked and even said that I'm open to using your numbers for the sake of argument so then you come at me with this... You and others are making up conspiracy theories. It's nothing more than what-if-isms without...

The article I linked says, and I quote "S&P Global Mobility estimates that there are presently around 16,822 Tesla Superchargers and Tesla destination chargers in the United States, along with 126,500 Level 2 and 20,431 Level 3 charging ports." I interpret that quote as 16822 Tesla L2+L3 and...

But you want to use Superchargers with the adapter? So, you're fine lining his pockets, but you just don't trust him?

If it becomes a standard, no. SAE standards are not owned by any one person or company. Per the director, "[Telsa] is leaving the future of NACS up to a consensus-based standards process." Here's the interview with the director.

End of year is 2023. Also NACS is protocol agnostic. It can use CCS as a protocol. NACS wouldn't have been considered as the new standard if it wasn't agnostic. It could also be said that the NACS plug supports legacy and future protocols.

I've discussed this in detail previously in this thread. They own the patent to the Tesla Charging Standard. NACS or J3400 is the SAE standard that is a work in progress. Per the director of the SAE NACS Taskforce the J3400 standardization will be complete by year end and Tesla is cooperating...

I don't see it that way. Tesla is a public company and Elon has a fiduciary duty that he must uphold. Comparing Tesla to "X" is not the same. One is public, one is private. He can do whatever he wants with "X". The comments surrounding him pushing the limits with technology and vehicle...

Everything you just said is 100% speculation. We could worry about California falling off into the ocean because we've had big earthquakes before, but why? I don't understand the stress over this especially from Rivian owners in California. You have a $100k vehicle and you're worried about a...

The director of the SAE Taskforce for J3400 has said that it will be standardized by year end... Last I checked we are in 2023. Other manufacturers, including Rivian, have said they will adopt it in 2025. No one is licensing it from Tesla and your patent argument is irrelevant. If you have...

So, by your example please explain how that's any different than right now? If you hate Elon that much would you even use a supercharger? Let me help all of you who are anti-Elon with some facts - 1 - The SAE J3400 (NACS) connector itself will not generate revenue for Elon 2 - If you hate the...

Those two things have become intertwined in this thread. Just look at the OP. He's on a tangent about Musk and talking about how NACS can't become the standard because of him. Kinda hard to talk about the standard without including the hyperbole in this thread. It's not directed at you...

Actually that's incorrect. I am focusing on the facts based on publicly available data. The problem with this thread is that people are focusing on Elon more than the facts and/or they are making up things based on their hatred of him. The facts are that mfgs will be adopting SAE J3400. SAE...

This is where you loose me. Personally, I could care less who owns a company or what they say online. I think it's weird to bash some random person who you don't know. 50% or more of the population has no issue with Elon. There's also a portion that idolizes him. I would rather look at the...