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  1. What if Tesla spun off the SuperCharger network to an independent company and gave up the NACS to an independent organization?

    If so, then it is odd your sudden outburst of concern over a perceived Tesla monopoly is coincident with the industry momentum toward standardizing the NACS plug. Recent announcements make it very clear the other network operators have embraced the plug and will complete with superchargers...
  2. CCS is Dead Man Walkin’

    Such a disingenuous comment… Europe implements 3 phase power at the local level, therefore AC charging needs a 3 phase capable connector. Only the Mennekes connector has offered 3 phase capability, hence it had to be adopted as part of CCS-2. Everyone, including Tesla, agreed to use it...
  3. What if Tesla spun off the SuperCharger network to an independent company and gave up the NACS to an independent organization?

    You write as if these agreements ban all charging networks except Superchargers. No such suggestion has been made. Standardization of the NACS connector allows everyone to use it, including existing network operators. And there have been several announcements from existing operators of their...
  4. What if Tesla spun off the SuperCharger network to an independent company and gave up the NACS to an independent organization?

    You are not in the minority. Regardless of the loud protestations of a few short sighted anti-NACS people here, polls on different boards show the majority of people are happy that NACS appears to be the eventual sole connector standard for North America. And it is because of the same reasons...
  5. What if Tesla spun off the SuperCharger network to an independent company and gave up the NACS to an independent organization?

    Regarding NACS standardization, a look back at history might be instructive. Tesla already offered their connector IP to the SAE J1772 committee for standardization over a decade ago. But back then Legacy Auto committee representatives took a competitive position and voted against accepting the...
  6. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    For point 1, I think you are not considering the time element. The GM announcement caught everyone, external AND internal by surprise. It was a massive reversal known only to key senior people, so all the functionaries are now working to figure out the implications and will eventually...
  7. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    Do you really believe that the GM and Ford agreements don’t include a commitment to have the NACS design published by a recognized SDO (Standards Development Organization)? The IP has been offered, all it needs is to be accepted and published by an SDO, complete with Tesla’s commitment to FRAND...
  8. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    This has been covered many times already. Europe is a different situation because their domestic distribution networks deploy 3-phase AC at the local level, so charging requires 3-phase support. Only the Mennekes plug, which underpins CCS-2, supports 3-phase therefore it is the best choice for...
  9. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    The IP is already on the table and there is now overwhelming will to make it happen. The commercial agreements are depending on standardization and Wall St applauds it. No one, including EM, has any reason to block it. Yes, the functionaries must complete their procedural work, but it really is...
  10. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    Technically it could be submitted to any ANSI recognized SDO (Standards Development Organization). But since there is an SAE committee with subject matter expertise that worked on CCS, it should go there, with requirements support from CharIN. Note that CharIN is not an SDO, but an industry...
  11. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    Yes, Mennekes designs and manufactures such things. They designed the connector and submitted the IP for standardization in a suitable standards body, in the hopes of manufacturing lots of them if accepted. But as part of standardization the IP must be made available for others to make too...
  12. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    IP (Intellectual product), not manufacturer. Yazaki and Mennekes own their respective IP, it is licensed and available without prejudice. New IP, including changes, is submitted for standardization approval. That’s how standards bodies work.
  13. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    The connector is very important because it enables universal access. For GM and Ford it enables access to superchargers, which is very important for them. But it also enables access to other networks, now that we will have common North American connector standard (post 2025, gotta start...
  14. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    No trust issues involved. The IP is made available as a condition of standardization. That how standards bodies work. Once again you inseparably link the connector standardization with use of the supercharger network. Very misleading. The connector standardization is happening and everyone can...
  15. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    NACS connector IP will be licensed, just like Yazaki and Mennekes connector IP is licensed for CCS-1/2. That’s how standards bodies work.
  16. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    Yes, they are unrelated. Standardization of the NACS connector means anyone can use it, including the non Tesla networks. And they will now, for sure. In the meantime, both Ford and GM users get unfettered access to the supercharger network, which is an obvious benefit that helps with EV...
  17. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    It seems your emotions, including hatred for EM, have overcome your rational thought. Regardless, it’s happening, with or without you.
  18. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    It may seem to be mystery why GM killed the Bolt, but really it is more likely a manufacturing planning issue. They need the factory for a big Ultium vehicle program. There was no other home for Bolt manufacturing. Ford did a similar thing with the Edge/Nautilus. They desperately needed to...
  19. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    Government policy is generally structured not to pick winners, but let the market decide. Now that the market has decisively decided, the IRA, NEVI and every other related charging infrastructure policy will inevitably be revised to accommodate the market’s decision. Yes, some money has been...
  20. GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

    It’s clear you don’t understand how standards organizations work. The NACS connector IP is offered under the same FRAND conditions as the Yazaki and Mennekes connector IP that underpins CCS-1/2. Licensing is assured as part of adoption, including for adopted functionality evolutions. Further...





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