Cybertruck Laugh of the Day [⚠️ WARNING: NO POLITICS; MEMBERS BANNED]

[SoCal Rob]

I'm not saying anyone made a wrong decision with Rivian, or that the Cybertruck is the best fit for everyone, you have misunderstood me if you think that.

What I am saying is that people are spreading a lot of misconceptions about the Cybertruck that are simply not true. The people most guilty of this feel very threatened by the Cybertruck. I'm all about the truth over made up fiction. People visit forums to learn the truth, not get filled up with a bunch of lies and misconceptions. People here have so little actual knowledge of the Cybertruck, it's comical to hear them act like they know what they are talking about.

I don't think I misunderstand your agenda at all. You're here as a Tesla fan for no logical reason I can discern other than causing arguments. Your language referring to, "the truth," is regularly used by people trying to convert non-believers to their cult, brand, religion, philosophy, etc. You use the marketing terms as if they are fact. I noticed that you didn't address my observation about the spare tire and extended range battery taking up space in the bed and reducing the available payload, which objectively lowers the utility of the Cybertruck as a truck.

It's OK to not like the Cybertruck. It's not OK to pretend like its steering lag is a problem when it crushes the speed of a traditional steering rack like the one Rivians use.

The speed of turning the steering wheel lock-to-lock may be better but this discounts another factor: precision. Based upon the speed one rotates the steering wheel, the front wheels (and possibly the rears, I haven't seen anything about that) may not be where you expect them to be when you stop moving your hands. This lack of precision (not having the front wheels where you expect them to be whenever you stop moving your hands, no matter what) is going to be very foreign and/or disturbing to some drivers. As far as I know, no other consumer vehicle has this behavior. You can spin this as game-changing if you want, but most people will recognize that there are situations where this may not be a positive.

I could see Tesla including some kind of resistance or damping to the extreme ends of the steering wheel travel so that you can't ever move it faster than the front wheels can be moved. Maybe force feedback to the steering wheel is the way to go. This might be better since I can see problems if someone is on a narrow trail with the front wheels caught between 2 objects which cannot be moved by the steering actuator. What happens with the current setup in that situation if you keep the steering wheel at a position which the front wheels cannot match?

No matter what: the lack of precision and feedback are problems which can be solved, but only if the company admits that there's a problem at all. In the meantime, if you think that the time you spend on a Rivian forum extolling the virtues of Tesla and their products is going to win you a landslide of converts, I suspect you'll find that you're wasting your time. A lot of it.

I'm so convinced that you're only here as a troublemaker or troll that I'll set your account to ignore unless your behavior improves. I've only had to take that step 3 other times in the 3+ years I've been here and every single time it's because of a Tesla fan/troll: TessP100D, PeaShooter/Shadowbanned, and one other I don't recall now. They were all subsequently banned from the forum because of their trolling. I didn't report them, but my ability to identify trolls as confirmed by their behavior getting them banned is 100% so far.

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[SwampNut]

Having owned both, I love being on both forums and being told I'm a fanboy for the "other side" any time I'm not praising this side. Nobody is able to absorb the fact that there are compromises and no clear winner. And telling people in the Rivian Club group how many years behind Rivian is on ADAS, even the new one, gets a lot of whining and screaming. So stupid.

The new ADAS will be almost as good as our 2019 Tesla, just in time for Teslas to be truly autonomous. Fact. Get over it.

 

[HopefullyR1S]

Having owned both, I love being on both forums and being told I'm a fanboy for the "other side" any time I'm not praising this side. Nobody is able to absorb the fact that there are compromises and no clear winner. And telling people in the Rivian Club group how many years behind Rivian is on ADAS, even the new one, gets a lot of whining and screaming. So stupid.

The new ADAS will be almost as good as our 2019 Tesla, just in time for Teslas to be truly autonomous. Fact. Get over it.

But that not a fact. That is opinion. Again the forced justification is telling.

 

[Dark-Fx]

What I am saying is that people are spreading a lot of misconceptions about the Cybertruck that are simply not true. The people most guilty of this feel very threatened by the Cybertruck. I'm all about the truth over made up fiction. People visit forums to learn the truth, not get filled up with a bunch of lies and misconceptions. People here have so little actual knowledge of the Cybertruck, it's comical to hear them act like they know what they are talking about.

ya, definitely worried the cybertruck is gonna fuck my mom or something. very threatened.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I could see Tesla including some kind of resistance or damping to the extreme ends of the steering wheel travel so that you can't ever move it faster than the front wheels can be moved. Maybe force feedback to the steering wheel is the way to go. This might be better since I can see problems if someone is on a narrow trail with the front wheels caught between 2 objects which cannot be moved by the steering actuator. What happens with the current setup in that situation if you keep the steering wheel at a position which the front wheels cannot match?

The unstuck wheel will still turn, which I find hilarious.

 

[SwampNut]

But that not a fact.

Not at all. It's clearly, easily seen fact that is documented. And I happen to talk to the head of auto AI at Nvidia almost daily, I think he called Rivian ADAS "kindergarten level," but what would he know. Your forced justification of choosing a Rivian is ugly. I chose a Rivian, and traded in a Tesla, knowing that I was stepping back into the stone ages on ADAS.

 

[SoCal Rob]

The unstuck wheel will still turn, which I find hilarious.

So what happens if both front wheels are prevented from changing their angle to match what the driver is calling for with the steering wheel at full lock? With traditional steering you'll feel the resistance and know that you're asking for something which cannot be delivered. Does the Cybertruck show a warning or do anything to indicate the mismatch between where you have the steering wheel and where the front wheels are actually pointed?

 

[Dark-Fx]

So what happens if both front wheels are prevented from changing their angle to match what the driver is calling for with the steering wheel at full lock? With traditional steering you'll feel the resistance and know that you're asking for something which cannot be delivered. Does the Cybertruck show a warning or do anything to indicate the mismatch between where you have the steering wheel and where the front wheels are actually pointed?

I'll defer that one to our resident cybertruck experts. I believe if you don't get a response from them, then you have your answer.

 

[COdogman]

That's a nice cop-out. I guess everything can be subjective. Like the steering lag in a truck you've never driven. That's what "subjective" means, isn't it?



It's OK to not like the Cybertruck. It's not OK to pretend like its steering lag is a problem when it crushes the speed of a traditional steering rack like the one Rivians use. As to comparisons, the F-150 is a natural benchmark because it's the best-selling truck in America. In the auto business, volume of sales is everything, that's what informs you if you have a good product at a good price. High sales mean people find your product desirable.

Which do you think will sell in greater numbers over their respective lifespans, the R1T or the Cybertruck? You probably think the Rivian, I think the Cybertruck. We will see who was right.



Being a life-long powder hound and storm chaser, I've put myself into real winter weather, on purpose, in cars and trucks, my entire life. I know how cars work in extreme winter conditions. None of them are that good, it's mostly up to the operator to manage the vehicle properly. I have zero concerns with the single large wiper with a powerful motor. It's different than what we are used to, but it was engineered with the requirements in mind. You just want something to be skeptical of.

If anything, the Cybertruck was designed to be easier to manage in extreme winter weather. The first sweep of the big ass wiper on a snowy morning will work with gravity to push snow down the steeply raked hood. There is no gully to trap snow like all my other vehicles have. I think it's brilliant to make it easy for the snow to brush off.



I'm not the sole arbiter of truth, but neither are you. That's why I call out the false claims you make about Cybertuck. A discussion forum should not be one-sided, even if you would obviously prefer that.



Well, we are comparing the cost to produce because they are roughly in the same market, the same price range. But if the Rivian is being sold far below its cost to produce, it is relevant, because it speaks to whether it will even be around in 5 years. Anyone could make a great car and sell it for less than it costs to build just to get market share, but that's not sustainable.



Look in the mirror. The real fantasy is that it doesn't matter if one vehicle is being sold at such a big loss that it threatens the very existence of the company! Buyers want to know the company that makes the car they are buying will be around for warranty support, parts, service, etc.

Except we weren't talking about cost of production or sales numbers at any point here until you just brought it up (moving the goalposts again). Before that you wanted to spend post after post explaining how your undying love for Tesla meant I could not hold my own opinion about their design decisions. You even had the nerve to suggest that because I had not driven the CT I couldn't have an opinion on the bed or windshield wiper.

The funniest part is I opened the door for you to prove that you can be objective by sharing at least 1 thing about Tesla/ the Cybertruck/ Musk that could be improved and you STILL can't bring yourself to do it!

You just launched back into your Tesla bot mode and tried to explain how a CT wiper will clear snow better than any other wiper, despite clearly never having actually used it in snow or ice.

I am glad you like your CT but I am officially done attempting to reason with you. You have proven it to be impossible. Have a great day

 

[COdogman]

Having owned both, I love being on both forums and being told I'm a fanboy for the "other side" any time I'm not praising this side. Nobody is able to absorb the fact that there are compromises and no clear winner. And telling people in the Rivian Club group how many years behind Rivian is on ADAS, even the new one, gets a lot of whining and screaming. So stupid.

The new ADAS will be almost as good as our 2019 Tesla, just in time for Teslas to be truly autonomous. Fact. Get over it.

Something promised since 2016 and still hasn't happened is now a "fact"

 

[SwampNut]

Something promised since 2016 and still hasn't happened is now a "fact"

Since what you said above is nonsense, I have to take wild guesses here. You seem to be talking about FSD, not AP and EAP, which have been working well for many years. FSD is the automation in an A380 while the new Rivian system is a Cessna 172. Autopilot, which has worked great for me for many years, is in the middle.

 

[COdogman]

Since what you said above is nonsense, I have to take wild guesses here. You seem to be talking about FSD, not AP and EAP, which have been working well for many years. FSD is the automation in an A380 while the new Rivian system is a Cessna 172. Autopilot, which has worked great for me for many years, is in the middle.

I can see the term "FULL SELF DRIVING" is confusing you. I'm sorry. Most normal people would assume from the definitions of those specific words used together they would be referring to SAE autonomy levels 4/ 5. I forgot that Tesla has their own definitions for common english words like "self", "driving", "full", and even "crash".

You made a prediction about the future that you claim is fact now, despite the many years that have passed since it was first promised by Musk. The funny part is he makes the same prediction every year instead of just leaving it alone until it happens

https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-tesla-self-driving-cars-anniversary-autopilot-1850432357

 

[SwampNut]

I can see the term "FULL SELF DRIVING" is confusing you. I'm sorry. Most normal people would assume from the definitions of those specific words used together they would be referring to SAE autonomy levels 4/ 5. I forgot that Tesla has their own definitions for common english words like "self", "driving", "full", and even "crash".

You made a prediction about the future that you claim is fact now, despite the many years that have passed since it was first promised by Musk. The funny part is he makes the same prediction every year instead of just leaving it alone until it happens

https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-tesla-self-driving-cars-anniversary-autopilot-1850432357

Man, you are confused as hell. I only spoke of Autopilot as current fact. I have made no posts or claims about FSD being here NOW. Go read what I said, maybe more slowly, and with less of a rabid bias. While FSD is currently only 98%, by the time Rivian gets to the 2019 Tesla, it is likely to be nearing 100%. That's a prediction. FACT is that AP has been doing more than Rivian's next gen promises to do.

 

[COdogman]

Man, you are confused as hell. I only spoke of Autopilot as current fact. I have made no posts or claims about FSD being here NOW. Go read what I said, maybe more slowly, and with less of a rabid bias. While FSD is currently only 98%, by the time Rivian gets to the 2019 Tesla, it is likely to be nearing 100%. That's a prediction. FACT is that AP has been doing more than Rivian's next gen promises to do.

Having owned both, I love being on both forums and being told I'm a fanboy for the "other side" any time I'm not praising this side. Nobody is able to absorb the fact that there are compromises and no clear winner. And telling people in the Rivian Club group how many years behind Rivian is on ADAS, even the new one, gets a lot of whining and screaming. So stupid.

The new ADAS will be almost as good as our 2019 Tesla, just in time for Teslas to be truly autonomous. Fact. Get over it.

I'm not the one who is confused.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I can see the term "FULL SELF DRIVING" is confusing you.

Every car I've ever owned was full self driving, as in I have to do all the driving myself.

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