? Rivian Adopts Tesla NACS Standard! (Adapters in 2024, Standard Charging Port in 2025)

[Tahoe Man]

Exactly, the RAN at full build-out will be a drop in the charging network bucket. How many states don't even have one now? Save the money and slow the billion dollar quarterly loses. We need you to stay in business.

Exactly. Rivian needs very good returns on their investments. The RAN network isn't one of them.

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[LL75]

And RAN will be using NACS format?

If they gonna put Nacs port on their future cars, it would be dumb not to put Nacs in future RAN build out.

 

[goldburger]

Honestly I don't know why they wouldn't have told current owners that they are moving forward with the NACS as standard. Seems incredibly disingenuous to have multiple versions like this.

The email for existing owners is relevant for existing owners in that explains how the agreement affects them specifically. Moving the hardware to NACS in 2025 bears no impact on my Rivian experience as a current owner.

 

[jotunheim]

I definitely understand your sentiment. Specifically seeing as I once held it. I also apologize if you thought I was calling you insane. That definitely wasn’t meant to be pointed or an insult to you.

Many here much smarter than me have done the math and there’s not enough room for the modules it would take for 180kW. An additional module would fit however at 165kW.

The DM R1S isn’t rated for 400 either. It’s rated for 390 miles on 21s. And if I’m being honest I just don’t see them developing a “Conserve” mode for DM either. The beauty of quad is that there’s 4 motors. Unfortunately dual is just the two and decoupling one means there’s only one left to drive the vehicle. They may have SOME optimization left in the tank but seeing how much they’ve optimized with quad, dual will receive these upgrades off the bat. The 10-15% you’re getting I truly believe are it. It definitely won’t be much more than 20. I’m sure for tow mode it’ll be even less or just on par because I believe by default tow mode (per their official documentation) automatically engages both motors.

I wanted a Max Pack, but cost wise, once I add everything I want, it’s literally cheaper to go with a quad. And don’t me time started on how conserve chews through tires like a shredder.

I appreciate the time you have taken to point out the details from the QM and DM variants and I actually did learn quite a bit from this. No apology was needed but thank you (and very refreshing have civil discourse on a forum site). I merely just wanted to explain why the range increase was so important for my use case, but if it indeed is only 30-50 miles when the time comes, that is clearly not worth it. Most likely I will be waiting until 2025 anyway to get a native NACS plug and things could be very different then with battery sizes and capabilities.

 

[zymolysis]

Rivian has a cash burn issue. The equity has been a disaster and demand for the R1T is already declining. The last thing they need is to try and be some energy provider powerhouse.

The supercharger network could be worth that much because it's very tightly integrated with their vehicles. It just works, and works well and helps their vehicles sell. Tesla has critical mass in the energy space, Rivian is far far from that. They shouldn't try to be something they're not.

"Rivian has a cash burn issue. "
Rivian claims that it will become profitable by 2024, which ends the "cash burn issue." They do, of course, have to use their cash and resources wisely. Obviously they should have consulted you.

" The equity has been a disaster and demand for the R1T is already declining. "
That might be a good reason to invest in the charging network. They can only sell so many R1Ts, without dropping the price (and reducing profit, or selling at a loss). They are already working on streamlining operations and parts, and working on opening the new plant for R2. Spending some of that reserve money on the charging network might be money well-spent. The Rivian top brass and financial analysts are the ones who have the data and the market insight to make that call. I hope that they can and will continue to build the RAN network (as they continue to state that they will), but I am sure they will back away from that commitment, if they feel it is no longer sustainable (or will not in someway add to the viability of the company).

"They shouldn't try to be something they're not."
Who are you to say what they are or are not? I'm not certain, but I think that Rivian is designing and building the RAN chargers themselves. And I know that they hope to get carbon credits for their use. I think that they view Rivian as an electric vehicle charger company, as well as an EV maker - despite what you might think.

 

[RWerksman]

Moving forward from 2025 all Rivians will have native NACS port. Only a tiny percentage of Rivians moving forward will have CCS ports.

So of course RAN will be moving to NACS.

This is why the RAN station in OBX has been sitting here, covered with baggies, for well over a year. It was waiting for this announcement to happen so it can be installed with NACS right out of the gate.

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[FutureTruck]

Can’t believe they are giving us the NACS adapter for free.

 

[theyoungone]

I appreciate the time you have taken to point out the details from the QM and DM variants and I actually did learn quite a bit from this. No apology was needed but thank you (and very refreshing have civil discourse on a forum site). I merely just wanted to explain why the range increase was so important for my use case, but if it indeed is only 30-50 miles when the time comes, that is clearly not worth it. Most likely I will be waiting until 2025 anyway to get a native NACS plug and things could be very different then with battery sizes and capabilities.

? you as well sir ?

I promise if the DM is closer to an ACTUAL 75-100 mile increase I’ll be the first in line. But at the moment the smarter move for me is to snag a QM with 20s and replace the ATs with an All-Season tire. Efficiency (per others on this forum) is on par with the 21s) AND they’re cheaper to replace at ~$250 per tire vs. $400+ with the 21s.

I too will be waiting until 2025 ?. I haven’t even configured but I’m glad this move came before I did.

 

[Walter32]

Yes I realize the article/post is about the supercharger network. I should have asked will I be able to use my wall charger without an adapter.
Are charging speeds affected when using the adapter?

 

[MP3Mike]

From this links "As long as the vehicle is repaired by the company directly"

That stipulation doesn't do well to quell my initial concerns,

That quote is wrong. There is no requirement to have the vehicle repaired by Tesla. However, it does have to be inspected by Tesla after the repair. (And if there are things that aren't up to specs. they will give you a quote to repair it to make it pass.)

 

[LL75]

This is why the RAN station in OBX has been sitting here, covered with baggies, for well over a year. It was waiting for this announcement to happen so it can be installed with NACS right out of the gate.

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Same in Texas

 

[CharonPDX]

Nobody is going to buy a Rivian now just because of RAN. Until a few hours ago that was a possibility given the pathetic state of CCS. That's all changed now. Rivian should kill off the unprofitable RAN. Continue to build a relationship charging agreement with the 800 pound gorilla.

Fuck no. I won't be sending ElonGated MuskRat any money by using the Supercharger network. I don't want to be reliant on him at all for anything. Too many people seem to want Tesla to be the sole provider of charging infrastructure in the US, and it's frightening. Right now, RAN is the only >50kW CCS charging in multiple locations in my state, and if RAN locations went away, Superchargers would be the only way I could tow my trailer to certain places I go without having a 2 hour recharge in the middle. (As I did before the RANs opened.)

We need competition. We need differentiation. RAN locations near me have been more reliable than EA, with more stalls than EA. Close the RANs (and/or stop expanding them to the already-publicly-planned locations, much less un-public ones) and the "adventure" part of the adventure vehicle goes out the window.

I own a Rivian R1T and a Mustang Mach-E. Both companies have signed agreements with Tesla now, both will provide adapters to allow use of the Supercharger network. I won't be using Superchargers for either of them. (Unless the unlikely event of Elon selling off a majority of his shares and leaving the company happens.)

Yes, I used to own a Tesla. And the Supercharger network did work great. That doesn't mean I want it to be what everyone uses for every EV from here on out.

 

[CharonPDX]

Monopoly?? This makes no sense whatsoever. There are many third party charging companies. You don't have to use a SC if you choose not to. VW has stated they are not going NACS. So you can use EA whenever desired.

VW/EA will have to move to NACS to compete if all other players switch (as now appears to be a foregone conclusion.) I was responding to the people (in this thread as well as on other social media) who seem to think all other charging networks should just go away.

That EA will shrivel up and die, that RAN should be shut down, etc. They all seem to think Tesla is the only charging network that needs to exist. Obviously I don't think that's going to be the case, and am rebuking those who imply it should be.

 

[zymolysis]

I am not convinced that with maintenance, leases, etc.. that the margins will be sustainable once all the convince stores are adding chargers and willing to give the electricity away at near cost, to simply intice business.

Again...maybe I am wrong...but while I am playing armchair CEO, it will be interesting to see it play out over time for sure.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out. I don't know how much money Rivian can make from charging (and carbon credits), but I hope that it is enough to keep them in the game. I am sure that they continue to evaluate regularly, and will do what they feel is best for the company and the shareholders.

 

[zymolysis]

I don't think there is the infrastructure at Furnace Creek to run a DCFC. For Nevada residents, the adapter would allow us to charge at the SCs in Beatty and therefore cover most of the park.

" I don't think there is the infrastructure at Furnace Creek to run a DCFC. For Nevada residents, the adapter would allow us to charge at the SCs in Beatty and therefore cover most of the park. "

With some PVs (perhaps overhead, shading the chargers), and some batteries, it could probably handle DCFC (with additional charging from the A/C line, at lower current draw). Of course, adding the PV and batteries makes it more expensive, but then Rivian does claim (if I'm not mistaken) that all of its chargers run off renewable energy (or are offset with renewable energy - however that works).

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