Right to Repair for Rivian owners? Thoughts?

[crashmtb]

"building partnership dynamic" as you say,

I didn’t say this, at all.

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[FormerRIVTech]

I didn’t say this, at all.

My apologies if that came off offensive, it was what the overall message received by the implications of what you were stating. It wasn't meant to be confrontational but more so based off of an understanding that is built off of a generalization that IMO having worked behind different curtains with different manufacturers, doesn't quite hold as much water.

 

[crashmtb]

My apologies if that came off offensive, it was what the overall message received by the implications of what you were stating. It wasn't meant to be confrontational but more so based off of an understanding that is built off of a generalization that IMO having worked behind different curtains with different manufacturers, doesn't quite hold as much water.

Huh?

 

[Max]

My truck is almost 2 decades old. I can work on much of it if I have to and if I want to have it worked on by someone else, I have ton of options for service and part. That makes the ownership extremely inexpensive and stress free. The thought of owning a Rivian or Tesla after warranty is a bit terrifying to me. If you have owned a German car after warranty, you probably don’t have as much of an issue with it as I do but being at mercy of a company whose existence depends on taking more money from me is an uncomfortable notion. I consider myself the prey and see predators having too much pull in keeping regulators at bay in U.S. I don’t expect Rivian to be any nicer than they are forced to be by regulators in this regard.

 

[FormerRIVTech]

My truck is almost 2 decades old. I can work on much of it if I have to and if I want to have it worked on by someone else, I have ton of options for service and part. That makes the ownership extremely inexpensive and stress free. The thought of owning a Rivian or Tesla after warranty is a bit terrifying to me. If you have owned a German car after warranty, you probably don’t have as much of an issue with it as I do but being at a mercy of a company whose existence depends on taking more money from me is an uncomfortable notion. I consider myself the prey and see predators having too much pull in keeping regulators at bay in U.S. I don’t expect Rivian to be any nicer than they are forced to be by regulators in this regard.

I'm with ya on that one!

 

[emoore]

My truck is almost 2 decades old. I can work on much of it if I have to and if I want to have it worked on by someone else, I have ton of options for service and part. That makes the ownership extremely inexpensive and stress free. The thought of owning a Rivian or Tesla after warranty is a bit terrifying to me. If you have owned a German car after warranty, you probably don’t have as much of an issue with it as I do but being at mercy of a company whose existence depends on taking more money from me is an uncomfortable notion. I consider myself the prey and see predators having too much pull in keeping regulators at bay in U.S. I don’t expect Rivian to be any nicer than they are forced to be by regulators in this regard.

How is a German car company any different than any other brand at making money off of maintenance? Unless you are saying that the German car companies purposely make stuff fail more than other car companies which I think is false.

 

[FormerRIVTech]

How is a German car company any different than any other brand at making money off of maintenance? Unless you are saying that the German car companies purposely make stuff fail more than other car companies which I think is false.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's intentional but a by product of supply and demand, but I'd say different manufacturers have different priorities with different vehicle classes, an S class prioritizes user experience feedback, ride, comfort as opposed to cost of ownership. They do not care if suspension bushings wear out in 80K miles, why would they, the buyers market doesn't quite advocate for that at least on US soil. Anyone that's been wrenching for a minute can see when they tear down the vehicle to it's guts, you can see where the priorities went in the engineering, than factor in cost, buyers markets, cost of build etc, you don't see consumer driven vehicle designed in being economical, include engineering that prioritizes driver feedback and comfort, it wasn't designed to be, now take a luxury vehicle worth 100k, thae repair manual tells you to replace major suspension components by 100k, it's a much different story. Now this is a extreme example but an actual example none the less, it just narrows down to a engineering and tech standard while meeting quotas, affordability, clienteles base, part stock, etc. This is objectively true as soon across all manufacturers.

 

[Max]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's intentional but a by product of supply and demand, but I'd say different manufacturers have different priorities with different vehicle classes, an S class prioritizes user experience feedback, ride, comfort as opposed to cost of ownership. They do not care if suspension bushings wear out in 80K miles, why would they, the buyers market doesn't quite advocate for that at least on US soil. Anyone that's been wrenching for a minute can see when they tear down the vehicle to it's guts, you can see where the priorities went in the engineering, than factor in cost, buyers markets, cost of build etc, you don't see consumer driven vehicle designed in being economical, include engineering that prioritizes driver feedback and comfort, it wasn't designed to be, now take a luxury vehicle worth 100k, thae repair manual tells you to replace major suspension components by 100k, it's a much different story. Now this is a extreme example but an actual example none the less, it just narrows down to a engineering and tech standard while meeting quotas, affordability, clienteles base, part stock, etc. This is objectively true as soon across all manufacturers.

Exactly. My wife has a Subaru Outback and I have a Nissan Frontier. The moment you open the hood on any of them, you know every single part of it designed to be easily maintained and repaired by anyone. A VW Touareg by contrast need special tools to do the most basic things and often you need to reset a computerized thing you don’t have the software for. That is if you can find the information on how to do it. All my friends that have owned BMWs, Audis and Mercedes tell me they would never dream of owning one out of warranty. I loved Touareg TDI and almost bought one but I keep my cars a long time and I couldn’t bring myself to do it. I like my cars to work for me not the other way around. The only reason I am considering taking a chance with R1 is that I want to buy an EV and I don’t see a do it yourself option with any of them. Also I am getting old and my warranty may run out before the vehicle so it is less of a risk.

 

[FormerRIVTech]

Exactly. My wife has a Subaru Outback and I have a Nissan Frontier. The moment you open the hood on any of them, you know every single part of it designed to be easily maintained and repaired by anyone. A VW Touareg by contrast need special tools to do the most basic things and often you need to reset a computerized thing you don’t have the software for. That is if you can find the information on how to do it. All my friends that have owned BMWs, Audis and Mercedes tell me they would never dream of owning one out of warranty. I loved Touareg TDI and almost bought one but I keep my cars a long time and I couldn’t bring myself to do it. I like my cars to work for me not the other way around. The only reason I am considering taking a chance with R1 is that I want to buy an EV and I don’t see a do it yourself option with any of them. Also I am getting old and my warranty may run out before the vehicle so it is less of a risk.

?, There is a EV company working with a RTR being present before it hits the road. Full disclosure, I'm a bit biased because of other EV manufacturers because it can be done,and should be, there is a vehicle manufacturer that's gna do it but it is strictly transportation so it's makes sense, it's not a adventure truck. The direct to consumer and right to repair EV(stated during a interview on YouTube) is Aptera. I'm excited to seem them hit the road. Looks a lil like a road dolphin but ultimate they were working on and fixing the main problem with EV, range, aerodynamics, charging efficiency, traveling efficiency, they have a formula and it looks ?, I think they would do well in the car rental scene for sure. I believe rich rebuilds gave them a visit and he's really excited as well!

 

[Max]

?, There is a EV company working with a RTR being present before it hits the road. Full disclosure, I'm a bit biased because of other EV manufacturers because it can be done,and should be, there is a vehicle manufacturer that's gna do it but it is strictly transportation so it's makes sense, it's not a adventure truck. The direct to consumer and right to repair EV(stated during a interview on YouTube) is Aptera. I'm excited to seem them hit the road. Looks a lil like a road dolphin but ultimate they were working on and fixing the main problem with EV, range, aerodynamics, charging efficiency, traveling efficiency, they have a formula and it looks ?, I think they would do well in the car rental scene for sure. I believe rich rebuilds gave them a visit and he's really excited as well!

I have been watching them for number of years and stats are impressive. The problem is, I have a Saturn Sky Redline that is sitting in driveway most of the time because my wife wouldn’t get in it (Too low). I learned the hard way that anything I get has to meet her minimum requirements and her majesty would prefer to look down on people (feel safe) otherwise I would be all over Aptera. If electricity prices go up, I may have to trade my R1 with one. If there are enough companies respecting RTR, that may force others to shape up (when consumers realize the difference in cost of ownership).

 

[FormerRIVTech]

I have been watching them for number of years and stats are impressive. The problem is, I have a Saturn Sky Redline that is sitting in driveway most of the time because my wife wouldn’t get in it (Too low). I learned the hard way that anything I get has to meet her minimum requirements and her majesty would prefer to look down on people (feel safe) otherwise I would be all over Aptera. If electricity prices go up, I may have to trade my R1 with one. If there are enough companies respecting RTR, that may force others to shape up (when consumers realize the difference in cost of ownership).

I get that forsure, I will say the Aptera safety figures are worth a overlook tho, I mean

I have been watching them for number of years and stats are impressive. The problem is, I have a Saturn Sky Redline that is sitting in driveway most of the time because my wife wouldn’t get in it (Too low). I learned the hard way that anything I get has to meet her minimum requirements and her majesty would prefer to look down on people (feel safe) otherwise I would be all over Aptera. If electricity prices go up, I may have to trade my R1 with one. If there are enough companies respecting RTR, that may force others to shape up (when consumers realize the difference in cost of ownership).

?, I get that forsure, they gotta be safe or it's a NO-GO forsure, to me it seems like being in a Formula 1 car or just wishful thinking haha

 

[crashmtb]

How is a German car company any different than any other brand at making money off of maintenance? Unless you are saying that the German car companies purposely make stuff fail more than other car companies which I think is false.

ze Germans have a reputation for making things more complicated than might be necessary. Maintenance is also much more stringent in EU countries with super strict biannual/annual inspections (I.e. TÜV in Germany), so things are replaced more proactively.

 

[emoore]

Exactly. My wife has a Subaru Outback and I have a Nissan Frontier. The moment you open the hood on any of them, you know every single part of it designed to be easily maintained and repaired by anyone. A VW Touareg by contrast need special tools to do the most basic things and often you need to reset a computerized thing you don’t have the software for. That is if you can find the information on how to do it. All my friends that have owned BMWs, Audis and Mercedes tell me they would never dream of owning one out of warranty. I loved Touareg TDI and almost bought one but I keep my cars a long time and I couldn’t bring myself to do it. I like my cars to work for me not the other way around. The only reason I am considering taking a chance with R1 is that I want to buy an EV and I don’t see a do it yourself option with any of them. Also I am getting old and my warranty may run out before the vehicle so it is less of a risk.

I’ve worked on chevys, fords, Toyotas, VWs, and don’t see much of a difference. But I guess that’s me.

 

[FormerRIVTech]

I’ve worked on chevys, fords, Toyotas, VWs, and don’t see much of a difference. But I guess that’s me.

The clientele base for those vehicles aren't quite under the same umbrella, VW bought other brands and incorporated into their flagship vehicles, Audi, Bugatti, etc, Ford bought Aston Martin etc

 

[Max]

I’ve worked on chevys, fords, Toyotas, VWs, and don’t see much of a difference. But I guess that’s me.

I guess I should not have generalized too much. VW Touareg is same as Porsche Cayenne and I doubt is the same as Jetta when it comes to complexity and cost of Repair. I am not speaking out of Personal experience with VWs and I have to take your word for it.

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