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I tried very quickly as well, but my CC fraud detection prevented it at first... :headbang: I think I'm in the first 20K or so, RN112786XXX. What's the first part of your RN#?
112746xxx. Considering many early adopters seem to be leaning toward the tri motor I’m hoping my dual motor is even closer to the front.
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My wife and I live in Orange County. We go to Mammoth at least 2 weekends a month to ski.
I just took a quick look with a better route planner (ABRP) and that route looks possible already, 50kw in Oakhurst
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Rivian R1T R1S Rivian vs. Cybertruck mammoth.JPG

Things will only get better as time goes by, but at least it is doable now. Although 12 1/2 hours, yikes!
 

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According to other forums, Tesla's number scheme starts RN1127xxxxxx. So @skyote and @Joel, you are 86,xxx, 44,xxx, and 98,xxx respectively.
In teslamotorclub.com the lowest that they can find is 112744001
 

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CCS infrastructure is growing rapidly & will eventually be more widespread than Tesla, due to the fact it's an open standard & more manufacturers & vehicles will use it.

The question is how long will that take. There are a number of companies deploying CCS chargers right now, so fingers crossed it expands at a rapid pace.

We will see. I guess it is a matter of just how quickly there will be charging stations up the 14 and the 395. The sooner the better, I really don't want to make a decision based on convenience, but given how big a part of our lives going to Mammoth is convenience will be very important.
 

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I just took a quick look with a better route planner (ABRP) and that route looks possible already, 50kw in Oakhurst
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mammoth.JPG

Things will only get better as time goes by, but at least it is doable now. Although 12 1/2 hours, yikes!
Thanks for checking that out!

That route does not work in the winter. And to be honest, no one would go that way anyway. From Newport Beach you take the 405/5 up through LA, then hit the 14, which merges with the 395 which takes you to Mammoth. Either that or you can take 55/91/15 out to Victorville and hit the 395 early to take you up. It is about 350 miles and takes about 5 hours and 45 minutes driving 70 to 75 if you leave at 4 am on Saturday, meaning no traffic. I used that website and got this:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=abc1df0f-6078-408d-bb04-10344c6c19c8

This would work for me, the charging time is not THAT bad. The problem is it seems to only work for Tesla. I don't see any non-Tesla charging stations on the way up the 14 or the 395. The route you used would simply not work for us. It is too long, Like I said, our trip is 350 miles, which is doable a couple of times a month. But I don't see a way for a non-Tesla to go, you can't go up through Visalia and Bakersfield, it takes much too long.

Thanks for showing me that website. It is definitely a nice resource.
 
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EA has stations (150 & 350 kW) "coming soon" in Palmdale, Mojave, Olancha and Bishop. Plugshare has photos of equipment installed at all of those locations, so they will almost certainly be up and running before you take delivery from Rivian.
 

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That route does not work in the winter. And to be honest, no one would go that way anyway.
Sorry. never been to Mammoth so I just let it pick a route. :)

I'm really, really hoping infrastructure improves soon. It's been building slowly for years, but I think it will be way behind the adoption rate of EVs in 2-3 years. It's bad enough it takes a long time to charge, I would hate to be stuck in a line for hours waiting for the only working charger within 100 miles.
 

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EA has stations (150 & 350 kW) "coming soon" in Palmdale, Mojave, Olancha and Bishop.
A big problem for Rivian in this regard IMO is that these stations hav been "coming soon" since I put down my deposit a year ago and very few of them are operational. As some of you have done I put my popular routes into ABRP assuming a R1T instead of an MX100D and find that the trips are doable at the expense of much longer charging times if I go the way I like to go or being re-vectored way out of the way to get me to the rare available high power stations. Not to mention the hideous cost for energy (more than petrol for an ICE SUV). Yes, there is at least a year to go but the rate of progress needs to tick up sharply in that time or Rivian is going to have a problem. All their products have big batteries and will be ill supported by the existing network which may be fine for Leafs and Bolt's but isn't for cars with batteries two and three times as large.
 

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Are you sure the route planner is being kept up to date? I have found several instances where the Tesla website shows superchargers that are not showing on independent route planners and, in the case of one in Savannah, not even showing on the Tesla supercharger locations in the cars' computers. This occurred when my brother called me to say he was driving from Atlanta to Savannah but going to take his Honda since the only supercharger in Savannah was in an inconvenient location. That didn't sound right to me, so I checked the Tesla website and found a new supercharger in a better location. My brother told me that he had used the route planner in his Model 3, and he checked again and confirmed it wasn't showing. I then checked the route in my Model S route planner and found the same thing. I ended up calling Tesla and confirming that the supercharger was, in fact, in service.

There are going to be a lot of bugs in route planning for a few years yet, apparently.
 

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I don't doubt that there are some omissions in the various planners/locators. I have found ABRP to be pretty good but that is WRT Tesla chargers and ABRP is, or was, Tesla oriented. Clearly their inclusion of Rivian models now indicates that they intend to be of use to Rivian drivers as well but I really have no idea as to how well they track new EA chargers.

Plug share is evidently crowd sourced with one exception and that is Tesla super chargers. I and others have tried to post new superchargers only to have them removed and ultimately re-posted by the administrators sometimes weeks after the station has become operational.

The Tesla community knows where every new Super Charger is going from the moment the first permit is pulled and various fora report in detail (e.g. "there were three trucks from the utility on site this morning") on the progress. I don't know whether anyone tracks the EA network that closely but you can learn a lot by looking at PlugShare where users post their actual experiences at the site. You can set a filter to show only stations that deliver more than 50 kW. Within a 100 mile radius of Manhattan there are 8 such stations! One in East Stroudsburg, PA at a Walmart opened at the beginning of November with 4 150 kW stalls. It appears in PlugShare and ABRP. It has the following user comment posted:

“Iced. People leave. Stations unreliable. Went through all 4. EA people very helpful, eventually got remote start. 25 minut stop was 95." There's seems to be a lot of that in the EA network at the moment. We hope, of course, that these problems will get ironed out by the time our trucks are available.
 

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Thanks for checking that out!

That route does not work in the winter. And to be honest, no one would go that way anyway. From Newport Beach you take the 405/5 up through LA, then hit the 14, which merges with the 395 which takes you to Mammoth. Either that or you can take 55/91/15 out to Victorville and hit the 395 early to take you up. It is about 350 miles and takes about 5 hours and 45 minutes driving 70 to 75 if you leave at 4 am on Saturday, meaning no traffic. I used that website and got this:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=abc1df0f-6078-408d-bb04-10344c6c19c8

This would work for me, the charging time is not THAT bad. The problem is it seems to only work for Tesla. I don't see any non-Tesla charging stations on the way up the 14 or the 395. The route you used would simply not work for us. It is too long, Like I said, our trip is 350 miles, which is doable a couple of times a month. But I don't see a way for a non-Tesla to go, you can't go up through Visalia and Bakersfield, it takes much too long.

Thanks for showing me that website. It is definitely a nice resource.
The route you linked was plotted for a Tesla Model 3, this would appear to the reason you only see Tesla charging options. Here are routes for a Rivian R1S (180) with a waypoint added to force the route through Victorville where there is an EVGo station with 2x 50kw CCS stalls located at the Mall of Victor Valley (1 stall usable, 1 stall under repair). This first route is with a target arrival charge of 10%:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=17c139f5-cac3-455d-9593-032a79a36b2c

and this second route is with a target arrival charge of 90% which exposes another EA charging station closer to Mammoth with 4x 150-350kw stalls which just opened about a week ago:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=46f2625c-72f5-429d-a7ea-a43df3af2c7f
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