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I was involved this weekend jump starting another vehicle on a back road in Montana using a set of jumper cables. It was the neighborly thing to do.

I would hope there is an option to allow Rivian owners to do jump starts on ICE vehicles.

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Check out PlugShare. I think you'll be surprised what is already out there in regards to CCS chargers. The picture is only Level 3s. There are some holes, but it's WV...haha.
That's the problem, most of the middle part of the trip is through WV :CWL:
2 CHAdeMO chargers on route with both under repair.
8 J-1772 chargers with a few that reviews say don't work :/
- Those #'s above are for the ENTIRE route. If I just look at the middle section or back half of the trip where I would actually want to stop, then I go to 1 CHAdeMO and 3 J-1772 chargers.
I'll have to stop at all the locations next time we travel just to see which ones are actually legit.

Unfortunately, that will probably mean waiting for a significant breakthrough in battery technology. SUV's large enough to carry 7 people comfortably will of necessity be big, heavy vehicles. At current energy densities for batteries, that means very large battery packs to get 400 or more miles of range.
But aren't they literally making a vehicle large enough to go 400+ miles and carry 7 people? The only tradeoff would be seats that don't fold flat. My Prado that we ran for many years in Uganda didn't have fold flat and we jammed tons of people and stuff in there all the time. I would gladly lose the fold flat for the 3rd row and 400+ miles.

@SlaterGS ,
I'm in the same boat, except mine is a family of 5, but with the need to carry a couple extra. I wish we could keep the 3rd row w/ the 180kw pack, but I know I'll be fine 98% of the time with the 135, and CCS level3 charging will be significantly more built out by the time we actually get the vehicles.
This is what I am banking on, though it seems to be at a snails pace between where I am in Ohio, through PA, WV, and VA!
By the time production gets rolling, I can hopefully opt for the 135 and still get wherever I need assuming the network keeps building out. :please:
 

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But aren't they literally making a vehicle large enough to go 400+ miles and carry 7 people? The only tradeoff would be seats that don't fold flat.
Rivian uses battery modules of 15 kWh each. The 135 kWh battery pack is comprised of nine modules, and the 180 kWh pack has an additional three modules. The chassis will only accommodate modules two abreast. Given the fact that the R1S chassis is also 15 inches shorter than the R1T chassis, those additional three modules apparently require more space than just the space into which the third-row seats would fold. I have not yet seen any picture or sketch of where the three additional modules will be located, but I suspect keeping the third-row seat would require putting at least some of the additional modules into the cargo space behind the third seat, seriously compromising that space.
 

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Rivian uses battery modules of 15 kWh each. The 135 kWh battery pack is comprised of nine modules, and the 180 kWh pack has an additional three modules. The chassis will only accommodate modules two abreast. Given the fact that the R1S chassis is also 15 inches shorter than the R1T chassis, those additional three modules apparently require more space than just the space into which the third-row seats would fold. I have not yet seen any picture or sketch of where the three additional modules will be located, but I suspect keeping the third-row seat would require putting at least some of the additional modules into the cargo space behind the third seat, seriously compromising that space.
Get out of here with your reasons!
For now I'll just hope the charging infrastructure develops where I need it then I won't need to worry about it :please:
 

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That's the problem, most of the middle part of the trip is through WV :CWL:
2 CHAdeMO chargers on route with both under repair.
8 J-1772 chargers with a few that reviews say don't work :/
- Those #'s above are for the ENTIRE route. If I just look at the middle section or back half of the trip where I would actually want to stop, then I go to 1 CHAdeMO and 3 J-1772 chargers.
I'll have to stop at all the locations next time we travel just to see which ones are actually legit.
That is where A Better Route Planner would come in handy. Have you checked it out? There is definitely gamesmanship involved. If it means you top off at the last CCS on the way out of town in order to not have to charge in WV, that will have to be the option until EA or one of the other 6 DCFC companies builds something in those areas. Just to clarify...the reason NY, Delaware and those areas look blank is because I didn't zoom into those locations before taking the screenshot.
 

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We are also talking about charging today not 12-18 months from now when the vehicles with start delivery. With more options coming to market from all the brands I am sure there will be more charging infrastructure.

Better Route Planner is great we use it all the time prior to a road trip in our son's Tesla.
 

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That is where A Better Route Planner would come in handy. Have you checked it out?
Never heard of it thanks!
Looks to extend my trip by about 30 minutes, but it looks like a doable way to approach it. I like some of the data it provides, I will be sure to use this in the future. I am sure the options will only improve going forward!

Edit: Bonus, it includes the R1S!
Question: Is there an android app equivalent?
 

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1 plug and play light upgrades across the board for exterior lighting ex. Light bars, ditch lights, fog lights, bed lights, all dimmable and colour changeable on rivian app or in truck
2 must come with factory tow hitch this is what helps Toyota owners stay loyal.
3 truck bed needs anti slip integrated don’t sell slippery plastic crap anyone who drives a pick up knows an unsecured load can equal a bad day
4 gear tunnel is currently a tube of chaos, this will look like your uncle bucks closet without some nerd fest organizing, how bout a rubber floor mat across entire bottom with drain ability, tube ceiling removable mesh bungee netting for soft goods that you don’t want laying all over your wet dank gear, rear wall of tube more recessed integrated gear hook items for storing boards, skis, hanging bags?
5 roof racks need to run horizontal and then easily switched to parallel what happens when you have roof racks on with gear, and then need bed space with cover open and your other racks are across the box? Duh un click and run them parallel down the bed for safe storage and tie down options
6 the frunk also a new a boldly never gone before, let’s again have nerd fest inside this bad boy, like an external lithium battery pack that charges while you drive or plug in as your get to camp use that first for energy then the truck, have a multitude of ways to keep gear separated and organized like your ikea sock drawer and tied down appropriately as I personally plan on driving this beast like bo and Luke duke in the general lee
Biggest complaint for auto industry is amount of tweaking you end of doing to your vehicle from a billion aftermarket places please rivian give some well thought out options to your accessories
All the other stuff will fall into place as ev vehicles become more mainstream so excited to get my R1T
 

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Never heard of it thanks!
Looks to extend my trip by about 30 minutes, but it looks like a doable way to approach it. I like some of the data it provides, I will be sure to use this in the future. I am sure the options will only improve going forward!

Edit: Bonus, it includes the R1S!
Question: Is there an android app equivalent?
No there isnt, but if you use Chrome to go to www.abetterrouteplanner.com, tap the 3 dots at the top right and tap "Add to Home screen". It creates an App-type experience with native resolutions for your device. And yes, they have the R1T and R1S in an Alpha currently. You can adjust some of the settings such as Reference consumption and speeds to see what you might be able to attain for a driving distance based off the 2.2 miles per kWh that Rivian estimates based off battery size and range. Be careful! It is addicting. I already have about 10 routes saved based off of places that we currently travel to and now want to travel to once we get our R1T.

Best of luck!
 

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Holy crap. I used the route planner to check out a route from my house in Naples, FL to my brother's house in Atlanta (622 miles). The route planner calculated the costs of charging an R1S with the 180 kWh battery along the route using Electrify America chargers at $171.

I then calculated the cost of gas of driving my 2018 Honda Odyssey minivan, which gets between 25-28 mpg on the highway. Assuming 25 mpg and premium fuel at $3.25 (higher than the current cost in Naples), the cost was $81.

That's an extra $180 over the cost of gas for driving a Rivian on this round trip instead of a Honda minivan.

Either "A Better Route Planner" is way off in calculating charging costs, or Electrify America is going to be a colossal rip-off for EV drivers on road trips.


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Either "A Better Route Planner" is way off in calculating charging costs, or Electrify America is going to be a colossal rip-off for EV drivers on road trips.
Dont discount the possibility of a partnership yet. Also, there is multiple level 3s on that route that while slower than EA are free and at the Chevy dealership so coffee is free too...

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Also, those EA charges are based off NOT having a membership so you are paying more...I know that doesn't drop the fees down a ton, but it is definitely a savings.
 

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I'd rather drive the Honda than wait hours to charge and try to hit the Chevrolet dealer during business hours. The whole point of a convenient nationwide network is to make road trips in EVs begin to approach ICEs in ease of travel.

Unless Rivian offers significant permanent discounts for highway charging, I'm beginning to rethink my plans of using the Rivian for road trips with older friends for which I now use the Honda. This means I would either opt for the 135 kWh battery pack . . . or even look at an alternate EV that doesn't have all the off-road capability that I don't need, anyway. My big agenda is a comfortable back seat for adults, and the Lucid Air will fill that bill.
 

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I'd rather drive the Honda than wait hours to charge and try to hit the Chevrolet dealer during business hours.
I have hit both Chevy dealerships in Ocala and Gainesville and started charging right away and had no issues charging there...but to each there own. I know the current situation isn't the most ideal...It is definitely NOT the "Gold Standard" Tesla Supercharging Network...With time it will get better. We just have to be patient.

You also show arriving at your Brother's house with 80% SOC...is that necessary? You can use the wall at your brother's house...I just ran your same route and tweaked some settings and 17 minutes slower but it is only costing $73.

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My brother lives in a high-rise in Atlanta which only has two slow EV charging outlets in the garage, both of which are usually occupied.

Also, since I wanted to compare apples to apples in terms of actual fuel usage, I did the calculation so as to arrive with the same charge on the battery at which I departed. I was calculating the actual gallons of gas used, so I wanted to compare the actual electricity used.
 

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My brother lives in a high-rise in Atlanta which only has two slow EV charging outlets in the garage, both of which are usually occupied.

Also, since I wanted to compare apples to apples in terms of actual fuel usage, I did the calculation so as to arrive with the same charge on the battery at which I departed. I was calculating the actual gallons of gas used, so I wanted to compare the actual electricity used.
Copy. Those are those intangibles that will be different for everyone. No reason though why you couldn't contact the owner of either EV and ask if you could get some juice...Luckily for me the drive from Jacksonville to Satellite Beach to see my folks ends with a level 2 JuiceBox in my Dad's garage so arriving at any SoC other than dead is ok with me...

I still don't think it is a bad idea to adjust some of those settings and check different stations and see what you get. I changed my arrival SoC to 80%. I am now arriving 1hr and 22 minutes later than you but I still am only spending $76.

I will stop beating the dead horse now.
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