Diddy123
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I think (hope) the question is rhetorical, but I'm getting very concerned about the status and progress of Rivian. I know this will likely be a controversial topic, so apologies in advance.
I've been a long time reservation holder. I'm in love with the prototype, and the potential of the product. But the company as a whole is what has me trying to determine whether we've all bought into some excellent vaporware sales, or if they're the real deal.
#1 Concern: Horrific communication to pre-order holders, if any. Remember when RJ promised communication was going to improve? Remember when guides were telling people in June that a whole series of emails were going to be coming out each week to give people every detail we've all been asking for? Remember when all LE holders were told that we'd be contacted by guides, AND given estimated delivery dates by Thanksgiving? None of this has happened, and at this point I consider these statements to just be flat-out lying to customers. (with the understanding that Thanksgiving is still a few days away)
#2 Concern: Missed deadlines without timely and substantial updates. I've posted several times the list of deadlines they've missed, and it's closing in on 10 of them. Missing deadlines due to Covid issues, supply chain problems, and chip shortages is understandable. But not letting customers know in advance that these things are happening is inexcusable. The latest and most offensive is telling one of our members that they are still on track for an October delivery, when they knew full-well that wasn't true. That member wasn't even given an update until November, and was straight lied to right up until that point. Several other members here are still being told that they'll receive their R1Ts by the end of this month. We shall see.
#3 Concern: No new information on the vehicles in several months. There are still a ton of outstanding questions that Rivian refuses or is unable to answer. This despite the fact that "saleable" vehicles have been going to employees since September. Why won't they answer the most basic questions some folks have? This leads me to believe the actual production vehicles are still not finalized, and the employee vehicles are really just beta prototypes.
#4 Concern: Many issues in the press/test vehicles still not resolved. Every time someone finds an issue in one of the test vehicles, it's simply dismissed as a pre-production problem and it will be fixed. But, these things were theoretically delivered starting in September, so either the production vehicles are lemons, or they really aren't production vehicles (see concern 3). Broken tonneau covers, malfunctioning Driver+, etc. All these issues indicate that we are very far away from real production vehicles.
So, with all of the above concerns, I'm simply not convinced Rivian is ready to deliver vehicles any time in the near future. And I'm becoming increasing worried that they are so far away from real production, it may not happen at all.
So as I said above, this poll is mostly tongue in cheek, but what are you current feelings?
Edit: I was bored this morning, so figured let's just have some fun conjecture. Everyone please play nice.
I've been a long time reservation holder. I'm in love with the prototype, and the potential of the product. But the company as a whole is what has me trying to determine whether we've all bought into some excellent vaporware sales, or if they're the real deal.
#1 Concern: Horrific communication to pre-order holders, if any. Remember when RJ promised communication was going to improve? Remember when guides were telling people in June that a whole series of emails were going to be coming out each week to give people every detail we've all been asking for? Remember when all LE holders were told that we'd be contacted by guides, AND given estimated delivery dates by Thanksgiving? None of this has happened, and at this point I consider these statements to just be flat-out lying to customers. (with the understanding that Thanksgiving is still a few days away)
#2 Concern: Missed deadlines without timely and substantial updates. I've posted several times the list of deadlines they've missed, and it's closing in on 10 of them. Missing deadlines due to Covid issues, supply chain problems, and chip shortages is understandable. But not letting customers know in advance that these things are happening is inexcusable. The latest and most offensive is telling one of our members that they are still on track for an October delivery, when they knew full-well that wasn't true. That member wasn't even given an update until November, and was straight lied to right up until that point. Several other members here are still being told that they'll receive their R1Ts by the end of this month. We shall see.
#3 Concern: No new information on the vehicles in several months. There are still a ton of outstanding questions that Rivian refuses or is unable to answer. This despite the fact that "saleable" vehicles have been going to employees since September. Why won't they answer the most basic questions some folks have? This leads me to believe the actual production vehicles are still not finalized, and the employee vehicles are really just beta prototypes.
#4 Concern: Many issues in the press/test vehicles still not resolved. Every time someone finds an issue in one of the test vehicles, it's simply dismissed as a pre-production problem and it will be fixed. But, these things were theoretically delivered starting in September, so either the production vehicles are lemons, or they really aren't production vehicles (see concern 3). Broken tonneau covers, malfunctioning Driver+, etc. All these issues indicate that we are very far away from real production vehicles.
So, with all of the above concerns, I'm simply not convinced Rivian is ready to deliver vehicles any time in the near future. And I'm becoming increasing worried that they are so far away from real production, it may not happen at all.
So as I said above, this poll is mostly tongue in cheek, but what are you current feelings?
Edit: I was bored this morning, so figured let's just have some fun conjecture. Everyone please play nice.
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