The current EQS and EQE are capable of FSD unsupervised. While the looks are not amazing, they don't look like Waymo cars. MB has Lidar and radar in these cars. The problem that Tesla is faced with is Vision alone can't solve the problem, and the needed sensors are expensive. Telsa made a calculated profitability risk and went the cheap way.
Sure. They are capable of unsupervised autonomous driving, all right. If you want to call it that, but with a god awful BOATLOAD of fine print; only under certain circumstances, only up to certain speed, only on some roads, only in fair weather (dry conditions), no tunnels, no construction zones. On and On and On. Why bother.
In your Tesla if it's in FSD who takes the liability if it crashes? I can tell you I have had a bunch of times where I needed to intervene, or I would have been in a ditch, or the Tesla would have been totaled. Of the times I have used FSD I have had to intervene at least 50% of the time. MB takes 100% of the liability in the event of an accident when in FSD mode. In Europe it can drive at autobahn speeds and is usable in environments = to Tesla. Tesa is good but 60% of the way to true FSD.
A system that has this high of a failure rate shouldn’t be allowed on the roads at all.
I agree, I stopped using the FSD because things I do on a daily basis it can't handle yet. I do the monthly FSD subscription and have stopped it until it gets better.
One of my friend's coworker was on his laptop while his car was on auto pilot. It ran into a truck and he died. Another friend knew three people that died in Newport Beach when their car hit a construction vehicle parked on the road. I hardly ever use Rivian driver+
Driver+ isn't good enough that you'd stop paying attention, but it IS good enough to lighten the load on long drives. I use it all the time on long trips and it really does a great job of helping.
Tesla Autopilot and Rivian Driver+ are just tools. There are tons of tools out there that if not used properly can cause significant injury or death. As long as people understand how to use them and what their personal responsibility is they work fine.
I do same....even tend to turn it off when vehicles are passing me or I am passing others. But nice for those long sections of highway....
If these happened when they were using a version of FSD without the need of human supervision, it would be great example against FSD. However, these incidents have little value in the FSD discussion we are having today.
I traded a Taycan for my R1T in 2022. A Rivian is NOT a driver’s vehicle. Just because it accelerates like a sports car doesn’t make it a sports car. It’s a sport UTILITY vehicle that happens to have super car acceleration. Plenty of drivers think their Tacomas and F150s are “driver’s cars” too. It’s more of an all-around vehicle and as such should get better autonomy features to compete with the market.I see Rivian as a Driver's vehicle, hence FSD shouldn't be prioritized. Assistance, yes, FSD, no thanks
Glad to hear it's not something prioritized in the roadmap.
Rivian highway assist doesn’t work on more than 90% of the routes that I take due to the lack of interstates so it’s pretty bad compared to others in the market. FSD isn’t vaporware at this point. V12 has substantially improved and the v13 roadmap is out. It’s not 2019 anymore. 800 V charging is vaporware, but FSD is real even if it requires attention from the driver. IME so far Tesla Vision is pretty good at discerning objects including those low to the ground or even terrain variation such as a curb. In terms of incremental progress FSD is on another level compared to where Rivian is at with their driver tech. Gen 2 autonomy hardware launching without any real functionality is literally the definition of vaporware. They’ve just taken another page from the Tesla playbook.
