Waiting a year and a half now - no "resume" for cruise. Seriously?

[atebit]

What’s maddening is that I’ve had old cars from the 1970s which had a resume feature.

I regret that I have only but one thumbs-up to give for this post.

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[beatle]

It’s not just “old school cruise” though. We’ve owned 3 other vehicles with ACC and all had a resume feature. This means that on a highway with traffic lights you can disengage adaptive cruise control, come to a stop, and then hit resume when the light turns green. ACC does not slow the vehicle if there is nothing in front to halt progress other than a red light. On a freeway where traffic slows faster than ACC can brake, triggering a collision warning, you can manually brake to maintain a safe distance and then hit resume once the vehicle is close to the speed of other traffic so the ACC can take you back up to your previously set speed as traffic permits.

Resume is present on almost all other vehicles with ACC because it serves a useful function.

Oh I know, Tesla does resume by default on ACC and AP. It should be the standard. I was just offering a perspective of what someone in a decision making position at Rivian may have been thinking when excluding it.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I hear you. I understand you. My same reply applies: I could not give a you-know-what if I tried; could not care less about anything a person thinks, believes, drives him, ethics or lack thereof, et ceterum. I bought the technology. Twice. Would do it again. And again. And again. There is nothing like Tesla or better than Tesla in the world. Indeed, the only reason why I do not have a third Tesla (SUV ) is simply because Tesla does not make one or what I consider a real SUV, like my real R1S SUV.

And no. I am not a Tesla fanboy, not even close.

You are a fanboy, because you will purchase the technology no matter what the guy responsible for it has done. All of these cars are voluntary purchases, and nothing here is necessary to buy. Would I buy medicine my son needed to live from a guy making hateful arm gestures on national television? Probably. When plenty of alternatives exist, would I buy a vehicle from that guy? No.

The technology isn't that transformative compared to competitors and the behavior of the guy at the wheel is that bad. It's past the point that we can ignore it.

 

[Golfer04]

I regret that I have only but one thumbs-up to give for this post.

my BMW X5 with the advanced tech package has the craziest cruise package you can imagine. Rivian's is far superior. I thought I would miss resume, but I don't. Of all the issues Rivian has right now spending money in this one would be foolish. I would like a button to choose how deep I want the truck to sleep. I don't give a damn about vampire drain, but do get sick of all the wake up issues/delays. My dome lights don't come on if the thing has been asleep and I open the door.

 

[SoCal Rob]

You are a fanboy, because you will purchase the technology no matter what the guy responsible for it has done. All of these cars are voluntary purchases, and nothing here is necessary to buy. Would I buy medicine my son needed to live from a guy making hateful arm gestures on national television? Probably. When plenty of alternatives exist, would I buy a vehicle from that guy? No.

The technology isn't that transformative compared to competitors and the behavior of the guy at the wheel is that bad. It's past the point that we can ignore it.

Yeah, I simply cannot believe that anyone could write (emphasis added) this:

There is nothing like Tesla or better than Tesla in the world.

…and then write this:

I am not a Tesla fanboy, not even close.

Well, I can’t believe someone would write those things unless they are a super-fan of any gender. I could get into the lunacy of, “There is nothing … better than Tesla in the world.” but it seems self-evident so why bother?

 

[SoCal Rob]

my BMW X5 with the advanced tech package has the craziest cruise package you can imagine. Rivian's is far superior. I thought I would miss resume, but I don't. Of all the issues Rivian has right now spending money in this one would be foolish. I would like a button to choose how deep I want the truck to sleep. I don't give a damn about vampire drain, but do get sick of all the wake up issues/delays. My dome lights don't come on if the thing has been asleep and I open the door.

So how do you rationalize having to re-active ACC and then re-set the speed you have in what I described here as better than pressing a single button?

The people frustrated with the lack of resume is the same root cause of the maddening dome light behavior: Rivian’s hubris in thinking that they know better than well-established solutions in some areas. There should be an “on with any door open regardless of gear selection” setting option for the dome lights at a bare minimum. If they wanted to get fancy then they could’ve added logic to the current setup to give us behavior which also tuns on the reading light above the opened door regardless of gear selection. That would’ve preserved the driver’s night vision, assuming that’s their goal with the current silly setup, while still allowing passengers some light to see.

We expect lighting to come on when a door is opened because that has been the case for around the last 100 years of car production and what they gave us is not better. Many of us expect a resume feature because that has been the case for around the last 50 years and what they gave us is not better.

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[Cascadian]

On my other cars that support "resume" I use cruise everywhere. It's a great feature to make sure I'm not speeding. If I come up to a stop I just hit the brakes, stop, hit resume when I start going again.

Regardless... rather than questioning "why I use it"... I'd ask, why can't Rivian add a feature that is is on almost any vehicle that has cruise?

In settings you can set cruise to be at speed limit when stalk is pushed down. That would give you what you want.

 

[SoCal Rob]

In settings you can set cruise to be at speed limit when stalk is pushed down. That would give you what you want.

Only if you want your cruise set to what the vehicle indicates the current speed limit to be. The vehicle is often wrong in the heavily-populated heavily-traveled areas where I drive so I’m assuming it’s offer wrong in other places, too.

Even then, if I set the speed to the correct speed limit I’d typically be a hazard to traffic in any lane in Southern California, unless I’m in a traffic jam. If Rivian allowed an offset as I think was suggested earlier in the thread and if the speed limit recognized by the vehicle was correct at least 95% of the time then that could be useful.

Until then, resume should be relatively straightforward to implement.

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[Nix]

I believe Rivian's intention is to leapfrog the need for Resume by going to hands-free and eyes-free operation. Where the intent is there would be no need for the driver to ever intervene at all, much less use a Resume function multiple times a day while driving.

This is the Software Developer's Dilemma. Each day of work, do you start your day working on making the current version of the software better? Or do you spend your day working on the long-term big end-goals and live with the current state of the software?

In order to move forward, there is always something that has to be left behind.

 

[SoCal Rob]

I believe Rivian's intention is to leapfrog the need for Resume by going to hands-free and eyes-free operation. Where the intent is there would be no need for the driver to ever intervene at all, much less use a Resume function multiple times a day while driving.

That is a great goal, but it doesn’t apply to Gen1 vehicles and, until they get Gen2+ to that ideal state, it doesn’t make the downgrade any less painful for drivers of newer vehicles who rely on resume, either.

Regarding this, “In order to move forward, there is always something that has to be left behind.” it is true that there may be times that something has to be left behind. Do you really believe the statement as quoted is true? I can list countless examples in many categories which disprove it. Even in the case of this resume discussion, the feature does not have to be left behind. Rivian has chosen to leave it behind but that is not a necessity.

This isn’t an old-school vehicle which, if a dedicated resume button was repurposed and re-labeled, had no way to add resume after-the-fact.

Either press the right scroll wheel to activate resume, just as we currently press the left scroll wheel to activate play/pause or, to lessen the chances of accidental activation, push and hold the right scroll wheel for a set duration to activate resume, just as we currently push and hold the left scroll wheel for a set duration to activate the voice assistant.

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[Nix]

That is a great goal, but it doesn’t apply to Gen1 vehicles and, until they get Gen2+ to that ideal state, it doesn’t make the downgrade any less painful for drivers of newer vehicles who rely on resume, either.

Regarding this, “In order to move forward, there is always something that has to be left behind.” it is true that there may be times that something has to be left behind. Do you really believe the statement as quoted is true? I can list countless examples in many categories which disprove it. Even in the case of this resume discussion, the feature does not have to be left behind. Rivian has chosen to leave it behind but that is not a necessity.

This isn’t an old-school vehicle which, if a dedicated resume button was repurposed and re-labeled, had no way to add resume after-the-fact.

Either press the right scroll wheel to activate resume, just as we currently press the left scroll wheel to activate play/pause or, to lessen the chances of accidental activation, push and hold the right scroll wheel for a set duration to activate resume, just as we currently push and hold the left scroll wheel for a set duration to activate the voice assistant.

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Yes, it is true. There always has to be SOMETHING left behind in software at this level of coding. What it is that is left behind is of course up to prioritization. But you never complete all the work on the backlog.

Something always has to be left behind that will never be done. The more ambitious the new development for new product releases, the less resources for enhancements to previous releases.

 

[SoCal Rob]

Yes, it is true. There always has to be SOMETHING left behind in software at this level of coding. What it is that is left behind is of course up to prioritization. But you never complete all the work on the backlog.

Something always has to be left behind that will never be done. The more ambitious the new development for new product releases, the less resources for enhancements to previous releases.

I thought you were talking broadly in all cases of progress, globally given you wrote, “In order to move forward, there is always something that has to be left behind.” in a standalone paragraph. Now that you’ve added, “…in software at this level of coding.” it sounds more reasonable to me.

Still, the resume feature shouldn’t be so intensive that it is years in the making. I think resume for ACC should be easy to implement given that it leverages existing capabilities: it’s a matter of engaging the cruise control routine (as if we did it manually) but using the last stored target speed as the new target speed rather than using the vehicle’s current speed as the new target speed.

If Rivian really wanted to provide a modern experience, they could leave the previous set speed displayed but in a lighter color or a different color. This way drivers know what the vehicle will do when they use resume. It’s not a necessity, though.

Once ACC has been resumed, the driver can start highway assist with the double pull if desired. No changes required.

Rivian can emulate Tesla by effectively saying that their cars don’t need features drivers want because those drivers will all be mere passengers soon thanks to fully autonomous driving. The assumption that all drivers want that is bad and saying that without delivering the promised fully autonomous driving makes it look like the decision makers don’t have a good grasp of reality.

 

[SeaGeo]

Yeah, I simply cannot believe that anyone could write (emphasis added) this:


…and then write this:


Well, I can’t believe someone would write those things unless they are a super-fan of any gender. I could get into the lunacy of, “There is nothing … better than Tesla in the world.” but it seems self-evident so why bother?

 

[ssincl3]

OK, I hate to complain because I love my R1T but the one thing that it doesn't have that annoys me the most - "resume" for cruise. I use "resume" all the time on all of my other vehicles. This seems like such an easy thing to add and I can't believe no one at Rivian thinks it is important. How about making the press on the end of the right stalk "resume" instead of telling me I need to slow down to put the vehicle in park? Come on guys... this is such a basic feature. Every other modern vehicle has it and it has to be easy to implement.

Chime in if you agree. Let's see if we can get "resume" in one of the OTA updates!

Add to that, I hate that when it no longer detects lanes for lane keep, it forces you to cancel the entire cruise control which causes the regen, aka brakes, to be applied that freaks out the person behind you. Why not keep the Adaptive cruise control on and just cancel the lane keep. The only work around is to break the steering loose from lane keep but that’s also dangerous with small swerving it provokes.

 

[hardtiesnatl]

OK - I understand your point, but that's why I'm asking others to chime in. I can't believe I'm the only person that thinks it is a useful and basic feature.

Honestly, I cant understand why "resume" wouldn't be there in the first place. I can't remember any vehicle I've owned that has has cruise but doesn't have resume...

I don't care. I never thought about it until I saw this thread.

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