Update 2025.06 on a Dual Motor w/ Performance Package purchased & unlocked.

[narmstrong79]

For those curious as to what visual changes update 2025.06 brings to the dual motor when you have the performance pack unlocked, here's a video.



I like that the layout is more consistent with quad and Tri.

Spoiler alert, my recommendation is save the $5K and skip adding the performance. I would guess if you can afford a Dual Max Performance, you could likely afford a Tri-max. Even if you're leasing the Tri-max is close in payment. No one leasing should pay for this unlock.

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[johnj2803]

Is it true that you really dont feel any difference on all purpose mode? Only the sport mode?

I know first hand in the model Y, purchasing the boost make the car feel faster in all modes.

Thanks!

 

[COdogman]

You’re not going to become a successful YouTube influencer by giving us spoiler alerts. The trick is to bury your conclusion at approximately minute 93 of a 120 minute video.

And you have to make a funny screen capture where you are smiling like a lunatic or making a sad face while pointing at a Rivian.

 

[narmstrong79]

Is it true that you really dont feel any difference on all purpose mode? Only the sport mode?

I know first hand in the model Y, purchasing the boost make the car feel faster in all modes.

Thanks!

You feel the difference in sport mode, mostly on launch. but sport is also a low or lowest ride height and takes away from the ride comfort IMHO.

The car is optimized for all-purpose to be the ideal driving configuration. The car still has a lot of power in all-purpose, you're quicker than 99% of the other cars on the road so highway merging or passing is great.

In all-purpose whether it's a Dual Standard, Dual Large, Dual max you get the lowered 533hp on in sport mode does it unlock the added hp bumping it to 665hp. I can't speak to the tesla but i thought their performance models also changed the suspension and brakes from the standard model.

 

[narmstrong79]

You’re not going to become a successful YouTube influencer by giving us spoiler alerts. The trick is to bury your conclusion at approximately minute 93 of a 120 minute video.

And you have to make a funny screen capture where you are smiling like a lunatic or making a sad face while pointing at a Rivian.

Shoot, I missed my first day at click-bait 101 .

 

[johnj2803]

You feel the difference in sport mode, mostly on launch. but sport is also a low or lowest ride height and takes away from the ride comfort IMHO.

The car is optimized for all-purpose to be the ideal driving configuration. The car still has a lot of power in all-purpose, you're quicker than 99% of the other cars on the road so highway merging or passing is great.

In all-purpose whether it's a Dual Standard, Dual Large, Dual max you get the lowered 533hp on in sport mode does it unlock the added hp bumping it to 665hp. I can't speak to the tesla but i thought their performance models also changed the suspension and brakes from the standard model.

Yes their performance models have different brakes and suspension. I am referencing the Long range Non performance that you can purchase a boost. IT feels faster in all modes

 

[narmstrong79]

Yes their performance models have different brakes and suspension. I am referencing the Long range Non performance that you can purchase a boost. IT feels faster in all modes

Rivian philosophy as i understand it, is the the weight of the R1 platform is the limiting factor they don't want to give you full power at an elevated ride height putting that launch stress on the shafts. I believe this is the case for all models, while you have more power in the tri and quad, you don't get full power unless you're in sport mode and low/lowest ride height.

Whether that is right or wrong i don't know, but i have more than enough power for my needs.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Rivian philosophy as i understand it, is the the weight of the R1 platform is the limiting factor they don't want to give you full power at an elevated ride height putting that launch stress on the shafts. I believe this is the case for all models, while you have more power in the tri and quad, you don't get full power unless you're in sport mode and low/lowest ride height.

Whether that is right or wrong i don't know, but i have more than enough power for my needs.

What is a bit interesting about this, is if you look at Tri and Gen1 Quad, they reportedly give you about 80% overall power in AP. So given that both are pushing 850ish hp, you're left with 680hp give or take in AP. So why not just give you all the power on a Dual in AP?

 

[johnj2803]

Rivian philosophy as i understand it, is the the weight of the R1 platform is the limiting factor they don't want to give you full power at an elevated ride height putting that launch stress on the shafts. I believe this is the case for all models, while you have more power in the tri and quad, you don't get full power unless you're in sport mode and low/lowest ride height.

Whether that is right or wrong i don't know, but i have more than enough power for my needs.

I definitely have more than enough power without the sport mode. I was genuinely curious. Thanks for the clarification

 

[Rividiculous]

For those curious as to what visual changes update 2025.06 brings to the dual motor when you have the performance pack unlocked, here's a video.



I like that the layout is more consistent with quad and Tri.

Spoiler alert, my recommendation is save the $5K and skip adding the performance. I would guess if you can afford a Dual Max Performance, you could likely afford a Tri-max. Even if you're leasing the Tri-max is close in payment. No one leasing should pay for this unlock.

I respectfully disagree, at least in part. Perhaps for lessees (especially if you are late in your lease-lifecycle) it’s not worth it (unless you benefit from increased residual value, which I doubt). But if you own, go for it! I just upgraded my dual max to performance and I love it.

Sure, if you are shopping now and you have the cheddar, the Tri could make great sense. But if, like me, you already own a Dual Motor and don’t want to take a big hit trading it in, the Performance upgrade makes a great car even better.

My caveat: if you don’t care that much about handling, just get the regular dual motor. Also, some people don’t like a firm ride. More opinions (which I found super helpful when making my decision) on this thread.

And a question: what does rally-mode do? Does anyone use it when not racing over dirt road?

 

[AdventureTravel]

What is a bit interesting about this, is if you look at Tri and Gen1 Quad, they reportedly give you about 80% overall power in AP. So given that both are pushing 850ish hp, you're left with 680hp give or take in AP. So why not just give you all the power on a Dual in AP?

If Rivian gave 665hp in AP mode there would be less reason to upgrade. While Tri and Quad motor versions are amazing the Dual Motor Performance is hard to beat as best combo for the money / power and efficiency.

 

[narmstrong79]

What is a bit interesting about this, is if you look at Tri and Gen1 Quad, they reportedly give you about 80% overall power in AP. So given that both are pushing 850ish hp, you're left with 680hp give or take in AP. So why not just give you all the power on a Dual in AP?

It's a fair point but they also need to manufacture a value proposition to justify the cost of a tri-quad for those who think they need supercar level HP and acceleration. Its very similar to what they did with the Gen 2 Large and Max packs. They made the large worse than gen 1 to justify the cost of going to max, this value difference didn't really exist in the gen 1 large vs max

 

[narmstrong79]

I respectfully disagree, at least in part. Perhaps for lessees (especially if you are late in your lease-lifecycle) it’s not worth it (unless you benefit from increased residual value, which I doubt). But if you own, go for it! I just upgraded my dual max to performance and I love it.

Sure, if you are shopping now and you have the cheddar, the Tri could make great sense. But if, like me, you already own a Dual Motor and don’t want to take a big hit trading it in, the Performance upgrade makes a great car even better.

My caveat: if you don’t care that much about handling, just get the regular dual motor. Also, some people don’t like a firm ride. More opinions (which I found super helpful when making my decision) on this thread.

And a question: what does rally-mode do? Does anyone use it when not racing over dirt road?

That's great that you find value in sport mode. Having the new mode can be viewed 2 ways, a product you have and love, has just became better (positive look) or The car always had this ability and the company locked it behind a pay wall (negative view)

I would say most people wont find it to be a value, have $5K burning a hole in their pocket, or the novelty of it will wear off. I've had it for 1 year and i never leave AP mode.

A dual max performance is like $102K , at that point just get the tri with the nicer interior and better resell value at $110K. It's all too rich for my blood. I have a Gen 1 DMP at pre-order pricing, and driving this at least until the end of the warranty period and hopefully beyond.

90% of people should buy a dual standard and charge to 100% daily , 5% should get a Dual Large, 3% should get Dual Max the other 2% are crazy people (pulled those % outta my arse). Very few should be upgrading from a gen 1 to gen 2

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I respectfully disagree, at least in part. Perhaps for lessees (especially if you are late in your lease-lifecycle) it’s not worth it (unless you benefit from increased residual value, which I doubt). But if you own, go for it! I just upgraded my dual max to performance and I love it.

Sure, if you are shopping now and you have the cheddar, the Tri could make great sense. But if, like me, you already own a Dual Motor and don’t want to take a big hit trading it in, the Performance upgrade makes a great car even better.

My caveat: if you don’t care that much about handling, just get the regular dual motor. Also, some people don’t like a firm ride. More opinions (which I found super helpful when making my decision) on this thread.

And a question: what does rally-mode do? Does anyone use it when not racing over dirt road?

Rally mode opens up the hydraulic sway dampers and allows a more floaty feel. Off road it's great for absorbing bumps as you skip along at a decent clip, but on road, you'll notice the vehicle has more of a roll to the body, where it's typically very flat in corners through all other drive modes.

 

[Rividiculous]

Rally mode opens up the hydraulic sway dampers and allows a more floaty feel. Off road it's great for absorbing bumps as you skip along at a decent clip, but on road, you'll notice the vehicle has more of a roll to the body, where it's typically very flat in corners through all other drive modes.

Thank you.

I’ll have to try it on cobblestones.

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