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This guy gets it - "Cybertruck looks insane, but holding out for Rivian R2"

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I'm very curious why you think there's no way R2 will be $40k? Based on scale, improved process, and in house components I think it's very feasible and it's a huge part of their strategy to build towards a million+ vehicles per year.

The question to me will be what features and/or tech from R1 will make it over into R2 at that price point.
The biggest reason is that they will be bleeding money and they simply won't be able to afford selling it at that cost. They are not a legacy automaker with legacy profits to fall back on in order to try and take market share.

Demand for the R1T has already dried up and R1S is probably 6-8 months from Rivian catching up with orders. Factor in economic uncertainty and headwinds from a potential recession, and it is a recipe for Rivian to expend a lot of capital in the next 12-24 months with not a lot coming back in.

The 40K price point is to get people excited and to get pre-orders established. Look at what Tesla did during nearly exactly the same point in their history - releasing the M3. They initially promised a $35K vehicle but only delivered the LR 50K vehicle first.

Expect Rivian to do something very similar. $40K is a pipedream. They will release the most profitable version first, and this is likey the most expensive variant.

You can take that to the bank (Rivian will).
 

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lol. I’m posting here and Tesla forums, and I’m seeing you Credibility Karens all butt-hurt about the CT. How does it feel to drop $80K and then see a superior product crush your soul?
Which superior product exactly? Can I buy one?
 

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lol. I’m posting here and Tesla forums, and I’m seeing you Credibility Karens all butt-hurt about the CT. How does it feel to drop $80K and then see a superior product crush your soul?
I dunno .. I'll ask you when you pick up your CT
 

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But... The R2 will be even smaller than my R1, so I am not sure they are going after the same demographic.
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The R2 will be going after that Ford Maverick/Ranger market .. which based on how many of those I see on the road .. is a great market to go for.
 

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The R2 will be going after that Ford Maverick/Ranger market .. which based on how many of those I see on the road .. is a great market to go for.
I think it’s squarely going after the MY market. RJ said a few times consumers are looking for a real alternative to the MY
 

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Damn… I watched this and that’s some of the weirdest fanboy sh** I’ve ever seen. Why would anyone invest their valuable, limited life time to make something like this just because they “like a brand?”…
 

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The CT absolutely delivers on the original R1T promise and then some.
With a 123kwh pack, 320 Elon miles, no place for a spare, worse drag coefficient, finger prints & scratches(will need a wrap).
Yes it certainly has some advantages but the above, range & price(Rivian honoured), are/were not advantages.
Oh and the Rivian is available.

CT misses:
-Range(towing needs, huge miss)
-Price
-Availability
-Aesthetic (debatable)
-Gate ramp
-That wiper
 

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Damn… I watched this and that’s some of the weirdest fanboy sh** I’ve ever seen. Why would anyone invest their valuable, limited life time to make something like this just because they “like a brand?”…
It was created by a teenager before Rivian deliveries started.
 

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With a 123kwh pack, 320 Elon miles, no place for a spare, worse drag coefficient, finger prints & scratches(will need a wrap).
Yes it certainly has some advantages but the above, range & price(Rivian honoured), are/were not advantages.
Oh and the Rivian is available.

CT misses:
-Range(towing needs, huge miss)
-Price
-Availability
-Aesthetic (debatable)
-Gate ramp
-That wiper
Oh, that wiper…. 🤢
 

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The biggest reason is that they will be bleeding money and they simply won't be able to afford selling it at that cost. They are not a legacy automaker with legacy profits to fall back on in order to try and take market share.

Demand for the R1T has already dried up and R1S is probably 6-8 months from Rivian catching up with orders. Factor in economic uncertainty and headwinds from a potential recession, and it is a recipe for Rivian to expend a lot of capital in the next 12-24 months with not a lot coming back in.

The 40K price point is to get people excited and to get pre-orders established. Look at what Tesla did during nearly exactly the same point in their history - releasing the M3. They initially promised a $35K vehicle but only delivered the LR 50K vehicle first.

Expect Rivian to do something very similar. $40K is a pipedream. They will release the most profitable version first, and this is likey the most expensive variant.

You can take that to the bank (Rivian will).
I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion
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