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Interesting. Unless I'm missing something, that seems like a shortsighted approach. Sure, that replaces the revenue lost due to the adoption of more energy efficient vehicles but it also serves to discourage the use of said vehicles hence encouraging people to retain older more polluting vehicles for longer. The cost of maintaining roads is a function of miles driven and vehicle weight but not of fuel type or efficiency.

To my point about throwing out current ways and starting from a clean slate, the problem with this Oregon approach is it seems they framed their requirements to offset lost gas tax revenue instead of to develop a holistic solution to fund building and maintaining roads. Sure, the gas tax pays for roads but the way you think about the problem influences the solution. While a gas tax was a reasonable and convenient way in 1919 for Oregon to fund roads, it's time for all of us to start thinking about this problem a little differently.
What ever system they come up with it needs to ensure the funds are directly used for the purpose they are collected for. I know in California we have some of the highest gas taxes in the country and they tend to siphon the money off for other things postponing road repairs and then ask for bonds to fix the roads.

I would support a registration fee that had a value based on vehicle weight with a multiplier for miles driven over the last 12 months. That way it would level the field based on usage and impact everyone the same.





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There also seems to be a major trend towards more and more toll roads. Isn’t it double taxing when you pay gas tax and road tolls? 🤷‍♂️
 
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So the direct sales bill did not make Tuesday's hearing. Suprise, there's the legislative process for ya.

On the bright side, that means I should be able toake the hearing *when* they schedule the bill, so I'll get to participate & hopefully meet some of you in person.

Side note - @electruck , I always appreciate your solid logic & perspective. You need to be one of the speakers when this does get a hearing!
 

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There also seems to be a major trend towards more and more toll roads. Isn’t it double taxing when you pay gas tax and road tolls? 🤷‍♂️
Sort of, but the federal highway trust fund gas tax is levied as a fixed price per gallon (not a percentage) that doesn't include an inflation tracker. It hasn't been updated since 1993 (for nearly 30 years, it's been 18.4 cents per gallon for gas and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel). As a result of increasing vehicle efficiency (buying less gas per mile driven) and costs going up (quite a bit over 30 years), this program has failed to keep up with actual road costs. That led to an increase in alternative ways to raise revenues for roads -- and "pay as you go" tends to be a pretty popular idea politically, especially in states with a strong free market lean.
 

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So the direct sales bill did not make Tuesday's hearing. Suprise, there's the legislative process for ya.
So the Rivian isn't coming? Tuesday would've been a perfect day for me lol
 

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So the direct sales bill did not make Tuesday's hearing. Suprise, there's the legislative process for ya.

On the bright side, that means I should be able toake the hearing *when* they schedule the bill, so I'll get to participate & hopefully meet some of you in person.

Side note - @electruck , I always appreciate your solid logic & perspective. You need to be one of the speakers when this does get a hearing!
I'm still willing to fly in on short notice if you need a driver!
 

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Well crud.... so it was at the Capitol today.... I thought it wasn't coming.... I wonder if it will still be there tomorrow.... I guess I'll head down there in the morning to see.
 

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